I hope you do understand that "fixing" the bots is not a simple task.
Is the research you mentioned availible in any way that we can make
use of it in programming?
On 12/29/08, Brian <Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu> wrote:
Marc, your argument does not address the article I
posted. In fact, it
contradicts it. You say it plays into his "turf," but as I pointed out, the
method pits him against himself.
The future of vandalism bots on Wikipedia is *certainly* machine learning
techniques. The question is, is the community going to waste their time
contacting the police, or figuring out what it would take to get the source
code and some funds from the Foundation?
If I were a determined vandal, you could not stop me with the current bots.
I consider the vandalism this kid is performing to be trivial. He is not
even trying that hard. The problem is that the bots that have been put up
against him are ruled based and he can easily lookup the rules. Vandalism
and counter-vandalism is an arms race, but it is nowhere near as bad as the
e-mail spam arms race as there is no financial incentive. Thus, simple
bayesian techniques that are used for e-mail, and those described in the
article I posted, will be very effective. The training set is monstrous -
all of the tagged vandalism in the database. The method automatically
escalates the arms race and nips each new technique in the bud as soon as it
surfaces. Beating it will require a new breed of vandals.
I say it again, contacting the police and the FBI is not the solution.
Fixing the bots is.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Marc Riddell
<michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net>wrote;wrote:
on 12/29/08 6:43 PM, Brian at
Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu wrote:
Contacting the police and the FBI. It is an
uncreative, heavy-handed
measure
that does not solve the problem. It will not stop
this vandal and it
will
not stop future vandals.
I disagree, Brian. Dealing with him using the computer as the mechanism is
playing right into him. The computer is his turf, and the far-reaching
exposure is exactly what he's wanting. The computer setting is something
he
feels he can control - the authorities would be something he could not.
Marc
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Marc Riddell
<michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net>wrote;wrote:
on 12/29/08 6:37 PM, Brian at
Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu wrote:
> This is preposterous.
What is?
Marc
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Sarah Ewart <sarahewart(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or
more)
>> of
>>> the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal
>>> complaint
to
>> the
>>> police.
>>>
>>> Marc Riddell
>>
>> I agree, Marc. I think we would find that most of this talk about
>> blocking the ISP, bots and so on would quickly become unnecessary
>> once
>> a couple of complaints were made to the police and he and his family
>> were dealing with the FBI or the police on their doorstep
>>
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