Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old and in college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. Yet he still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the

even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his identity is known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them to

and his parent upon whom he's still dependent has been alerted. And he

soldiers on, using Mom's broadband to move pages on Wikipedia to titles

will rape and murder (insert admin here)." What could possibly be running through his mind? And how can he be stopped?

On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ian Woollard <ian.woollard(a)gmail.com in is running Perhaps the Foundation could send a cease-and-desist letter to both her and him, cc the ISP? -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

There would be no shortage of people to sign a petition to the ISP, if

want to go that route. This has gone on long enough. -Durova On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ian Woollard <ian.woollard(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > > > 2008/12/11 Fran Rogers <fran(a)nutmeg.ws>ws>: > > > Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old > > > and > in > > > college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. Yet > > > he > > > still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the > > Internet, > > > even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his

> is > > > known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them

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Okay, what's the best venue for a petition? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:14 PM, William King <williamcarlking(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: -- http://durova.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

For a newcomer to this thread, the abuse is in the what will only stand for ten seconds category, and as far as I know, the user was addressed. It is probably even hard to be sure that Hanson does not hav accounts that he reserves for honest work. The United States Criminal Code, title 18, section 1030, I think we would hav trouble demonstrating that wikipedia is protected (keyword in the legislation) by anything but tedious labour, and it's also hard to show damage in dollar terms, unless all the checkuser clerks are paid. I see nothing, because it's legislation geared towards milnet (domains ending in .mil). Maybe the secure part of wikipedia would qualify if they required bank-signed public keys. http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview +t17t20+608+0++%28computer%29%20%20AND%20%28%2818%29%20ADJ%20USC% 29%3ACITE%20AND%20%28USC%20w%2F10%20%281030%29%29%3ACITE%20%20%20% 20%20%20%20%20%20 The search term "computer" should not be necessary, and for some reason, it is. If the URL breaks, then start with: http://uscode.house.gov/search/criteria.shtml or only the domain name. I do not *think* we hav any basis for criminal proceedings. Physical, yes. ISPs, as far as I know, cannot compel read access to wikipedia. We don't block reads, either. Writers are about one in ten thousand. Hopefully, they know who to complain to at verizon and hav an account, already. Then it's just a matter of shutting down Hanson's accounts, methinks. The hard question is how long the block should be, for me, who is not in a position to make it. Acceptable Use Policies (AUPs) govern the internet, not the CANSPAM act. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

On 25/12/2008, Soxred93 <soxred93(a)gmail.com> wrote: It doesn't matter what he does or doesn't want. It only matters what the wikipedia wants. Probably rangeblocking Verizon would be bad for the Wikipedia's reputation ("Anyone can edit except for Verizon users!"), Verizon would have to be incredibly unresponsive and acting in incredibly bad faith to have to/really want to do that, but it remains a possibility. There might be a better case though for automatically, temporarily, black holing or edit blocking or simply delaying the edits (until a human can hand check them) of individual IPs/accounts from anywhere on the internet that engage in certain broad patterns of activity. The important thing is to minimise the length/number of times that any particular IP is able to engage in Grawp-like or other stereotypic behaviour. While he/she/they would be able to soon find another IP, it significantly mitigates the damage that can be done, and minimises the cleanup. -- -Ian Woollard We live in an imperfectly imperfect world. Life in a perfectly imperfect world would be much better. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

> Maybe we can set it for only 1 day, but use a JS hack to say that > it's indefinite. That might get the word out to them. :) > > X!

Maybe we can set it for only 1 day, but use a JS hack to say that it's indefinite. That might get the word out to them. :)

So it comes down to whether or not we care more about a positive PR image

being able to maintain an encyclopedia without disruption and harassment from one of the biggest idiots we've ever had? I know what my choice

be...

Allow blocking on a more granular level, if we know his ISP, and lock out moves and redirects for the whole damn ISPs, and specifically point the finger back in the block message: Blocked because of JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp with a nice shiny link to his long-term abuse page.

- Joe

The problem with that is that many articles we have would not be found in any dictionary. X! On Dec 29, 2008, at 6:02 PM [Dec 29, 2008 ], Ian Woollard wrote: _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Using logistic regression we achieve 83% precision at 77% recall with our model.* Compared to the rule-based methods that are currently applied* *in Wikipedia, our approach increases the F -Measure performance by 49% while* *being faster at the same time.*

Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or more)

the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal complaint to

police. Marc Riddell

This is preposterous.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Sarah Ewart <sarahewart(a)gmail.com>

> On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >>> >> Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or

> of >> the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal complaint

Contacting the police and the FBI. It is an uncreative, heavy-handed

that does not solve the problem. It will not stop this vandal and it will not stop future vandals.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net>wrote;wrote:

on 12/29/08 6:43 PM, Brian at Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu wrote: measure I disagree, Brian. Dealing with him using the computer as the mechanism is playing right into him. The computer is his turf, and the far-reaching exposure is exactly what he's wanting. The computer setting is something he feels he can control - the authorities would be something he could not. Marc _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

I would be interested in hearing more about what you are doing. My day job is as a developer on the Emergent Neural Network Simulation System ( http://grey.colorado.edu/ccnlab/index.php/Main_Page) and I can also provide insights into feature dimensions from my past experience on automatically tagging Wikipedia articles with quality ( http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:BM1). I was thinking that a non-neural network solution, such as as the Core Vector Machine, might be more appropriate given the size of the training dataset. But NN is an interesting idea. Maybe we can converse on wiki-research-l? Cheers, On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Soxred93 <soxred93(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

>wrote:

so are we calling the police or not?

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:02 PM, [[User:Thinboy00]] < thinboy00+wikipedialist(a)gmail.com &lt;thinboy00%2Bwikipedialist(a)gmail.com&gt;&lt;

No, "we" aren't; it's up to the people who have been targets of death,

and violence threats and whose children have been threatened with rape

murder to decide for themselves if they want to take that step or not. I would personally support people who wanted to do so and I hope the Foundation would, too, but it's a decision those people have to make for themselves. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Why is Grawp still being discussed? Although I am not a fan of WP:DENY, this is even bothering me.... - White Cat On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:43 AM, [[User:Thinboy00]] < thinboy00+wikipedialist(a)gmail.com &lt;thinboy00%2Bwikipedialist(a)gmail.com&gt;&lt;thinboy00% 2Bwikipedialist(a)gmail.com&gt;&gt;wrote;wrote: > I get the feeling Grawp isn't expecting us to do anything off-wiki. > If the victims call the police, it would at the very least (unless > I'm > wrong, which is always possible) surprise him, possibly awaken his > mom/guardian to the reality of the situation, and probably turn this > from a "game" in his mind into an exchange with very real people. > OTOH, he might just laugh at us for overreacting... but at least that > way he'll get more careful, meaning no more death threats (on-wiki at > least, if he gets abusive via email the victims can employ filtering, > if he gets abusive on IRC the chanops can ban him etc.) and less > vandalism (maybe). We should probably complain to <insert government > official | insert journalist> that Verizon is being oh-so-useless > right now... > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Sarah Ewart > &lt;sarahewart(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:02 PM, [[User:Thinboy00]] < >> thinboy00+wikipedialist@gmail.com<thinboy00%2Bwikipedialist@gmail.com><thinboy00% >> 2Bwikipedialist(a)gmail.com&gt;&lt; > thinboy00%2Bwikipedialist@gmail.com<thinboy00%252Bwikipedialist@gmail.com>

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On 25/12/2008, Soxred93 &lt;soxred93(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: It doesn't matter what he does or doesn't want. It only matters what the wikipedia wants. Probably rangeblocking Verizon would be bad for the Wikipedia's reputation ("Anyone can edit except for Verizon users!"), Verizon would have to be incredibly unresponsive and acting in incredibly bad faith to have to/really want to do that, but it remains a possibility. There might be a better case though for automatically, temporarily, black holing or edit blocking or simply delaying the edits (until a human can hand check them) of individual IPs/accounts from anywhere on the internet that engage in certain broad patterns of activity. The important thing is to minimise the length/number of times that any particular IP is able to engage in Grawp-like or other stereotypic behaviour. While he/she/they would be able to soon find another IP, it significantly mitigates the damage that can be done, and minimises the cleanup. -- -Ian Woollard We live in an imperfectly imperfect world. Life in a perfectly imperfect world would be much better. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

From: "Sarah Ewart" &lt;sarahewart(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: If anyone else wants to know which police to contact, then these few things might be useful. Basically, you would start with...Is this legal?...I don't want him on my project, because...and this is how I know who he is. You might get some help with that from verizon's abuse contact or their abuse phone number. Sometimes, I'll warn ya, you can get more help from abuse contacts than cops, just because they're equipped to verify that e-mail directed at you came through them.

Jay Litwyn wrote: This is not the relevant police department. The relevant police department is the local police department of the victim, not the attacker. The victim must file a complaint locally, and then the local police will take the necessary steps to liase with the jurisdiction of the attacker. I learnt this a few years ago when dealing with a certain Canadian. -- Tim Starling _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

It would help if the list is posted somewhere, so others who are reporting can use the list too. X! On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:58 PM [Dec 16, 2008 ], Jay Litwyn wrote: _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

You all may remember [[User:JarlaxleArtemis]], who has been "editing" the English Wikipedia since 2004, at age 15. Originally he was an apparently good-faith editor, but was sanctioned by ArbCom in early 2005 for somewhat immature outbursts, copyright violations, and erratic behavior; eventually he pulled such stunts as putting his teacher's e-mail address on his userpage encouraging people to harass the "fucking bitch," e-mail bombing people who deleted his copyvios, and finally impersonating users and vandalizing with what would come to be hundreds of sockpuppets, all while claiming to be the victim. He was banned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/JarlaxleArte mis_2<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Ja… eArtemis_2> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Linuxbeak/Admin_stuff/Jarlaxl eArtemis < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Linuxbeak/Admin_stuff/Jarlax leArtemis&action=edit&oldid=117471376<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/… le=User:Linuxbeak/Admin_stuff/JarlaxleArtemis&action=edit&oldid=117471376>> &action=edit&oldid=117471376 He sockpuppeted and vandalized for a while after that, but apparently disappeared in 2006. One would have hoped maybe he grew out of his teenage phase and decided to get on with doing something productive instead. But sadly, the story doesn't end there. In mid-2007, he reappeared with a new "persona"... the move-vandal "Grawp." Unlike his ostensible predecessor Willy on Wheels, who at least had a harmless light-hearted flair to him, as "Grawp" Jarlaxle relished in specifically targeting users and sticking their personal information (usually gleaned from Daniel Brandt's website) in his page-move titles along with death threats and rape threats. Eventually we discovered that Grawp was in fact JarlaxleArtemis, and he only got more persistent and venomous (probably because as Jarlaxle, he was very open about his real-life identity and location himself.) About a week ago, having been one of Jarlaxle's recent targets, I decided to take matters into my own hand, and found his mother's contact information and wrote to her to inform her of the awful misdeeds her son's been up to. (While Jarlaxle is 19, he lives with his mother, and performs most of his vandalism from her Internet connection.) Instead of replying to me, however, she complained to OTRS that I was falsely accusing her son, who she insisted was JarlaxleArtemis but not Grawp. Jarlaxle then proceeded to prove her wrong... by vandalizing multiple wikis as "Grawp" later that night from the same IP address his mother sent her e-mail from. The ticket was handed to ArbCom, who replied to her with this evidence and the assurance that her son was in fact the one responsible... but received a response that she didn't believe them, didn't care, and was blocking all further e-mail from Wikimedia. (Though it's been suggested that Jarlaxle himself may have written that mail.) And he's continued to vandalize as recently as tonight. Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old and in college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. Yet he still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the Internet, even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his identity is known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them to him, and his parent upon whom he's still dependent has been alerted. And he still soldiers on, using Mom's broadband to move pages on Wikipedia to titles "I will rape and murder (insert admin here)." What could possibly be running through his mind? And how can he be stopped? -Fran _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l