WikiEN-l April 2009

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Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
by WJhonson＠aol.com 13 Apr '09

13 Apr '09

In a message dated 4/12/2009 11:13:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sheldon(a)prwatch.org writes: > If anything, the failure of Nupedia shows that Sanger and Wales > deserve *more* credit, not less. Rather than giving up on the idea of > an online encyclopedia after their first attempt,>> That reminds me of the follow up question I was thinking about the other day. Is Citizendium everything that was in Nupedia, plus new stuff? Or did Citizendium start over from nothing? Or (C) ? Will Johnson ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035&…)

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Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
by WJhonson＠aol.com 13 Apr '09

13 Apr '09

In a message dated 4/12/2009 9:31:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu writes: > This is exactly what matters. From what I can tell Sanger wrote much of > Wikipedia's initialy policy - policy that lives on today in various edited > forms. Not only was he key in coming up with the more formal guidelines > for > Nupedia, he personally wrote many of the informal guidelines that came to > be > used on Wikipedia. This is well documented on archive.org and Wikipedia > itself.>> ---------------- {{fact}} As far as "on Wikipedia itself" and "policy", we see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_original_research& diff=2014983&oldid=2014449 The first two edits to WP:NOR for example, which is one of the core policies. Maybe you could post something that shows you evidence on this? Will Johnson ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035&…)

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Green Ink Day (stick to Alan Cabal)
by Daniel R. Tobias 12 Apr '09

12 Apr '09

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:30:06 -0700 (PDT), Bill Carter wrote: > Please ignore this Green Ink Day nonsense, and address the Alan > Cabal article that has been expunged from Wikipedia's mainspace to > its userspace for unjust reasons: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_The_unlov > ed_article Wikipedia has too many Cabals already! :-) -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium
by WJhonson＠aol.com 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

In a message dated 4/11/2009 8:08:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ragesoss+wikipedia(a)gmail.com writes: > In part, I think this is because they > really, really want to avoid letting any vandals through; the lack of > that particular aspect of Wikipedia is a major selling point for many > of their users and potential users.>> > ------------ Which explains why they have 20 authors and 10,000 articles only. I suppose vandals created the other million articles on Wikipedia? ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium
by WJhonson＠aol.com 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

Brian that's all irrelevant. They are not *asking* you to describe yourself, they are *compelling* you to do it. That's not the same thing. And in addition, the page does not even state that they will use this information for any purpose, to verify, to identify, to accept, to ... anything. That's the second point. Address those points. Will ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

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Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
by Fayssal F. 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

Depends... Michel may be comparing Wikipedia (and this list in particular) to NK as well. Fayssal F. > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:11:07 +0100 > From: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales > To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <fbad4e140904110811me65b77axabfcf2bc14fe74c0(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 2009/4/11 Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipedia(a)zog.org>: > > > I don't get the point. > > In North Korea I assume it's not looked favourably upon when you > > criticise the Dear Leader. > > Does that mean that no North Korean should criticise WMF on Wikipedia? > > > No, it's that wikien-l has a civility rule too. And saying "I'M GOING > TO REPEAT MYSELF FOREVER UNTIL YOU AGREE WITH ME" falls afoul of it. > > You appear to be comparing Citizendium to North Korea. > > > - d. > > > > ------------------------------ > >

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AFD has gone to a 7 day cycle
by Ron Ritzman 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion#Proposal_…

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Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
by Seth Finkelstein 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

> Oskar Sigvardsson > If you want free speech, use your blog. You can say whatever you want there. In watching this incident unfold, I've been impressed regarding the way that the take-it-to-where-Jimbo-*is* strategy appears to be *right*, as a matter of effectiveness. Despite the limited perceptions of those who are quick to deem critics as trolls, I'm fascinated by the group dynamics and sociology of Wikipedia. Now, phrases like "free speech" can lead to knee-jerking as people rush to recite cliches. Yada, yada, First-Amendment-is-government, private-legal-rights, blah, blah. Like the old joke, we should just number those arguments, so people could simply say "#17" or "#23", and get them out of the way. Been there, done that, got the flame-wars. We're really talking about qualities like ethics and fairness in pursuit of justice (very vague words, I know). What's so interesting in specific here, is that only now has Larry Sanger's evidence reached some of the relatively tiny number of core editors who are highly influential in shaping the relevant Wikipedia articles. And apparently only because it was put in the places those editors read, over many formalistic and legalistic objections (WP:THISPOLICYMEANSWHATISAYITDOES). That is, on his website, the "right" people *DID* *NOT* *READ* *IT*. You could link to it. You could have a _Guardian_ columnist repeatedly refer to it in articles about Wikipedia 1/2 :-). You could bring it up over and over in various comments. *DIDN'T* *MATTER*. Only a very particular setting was effective in this case. It should be needless to say, but this is significant for building an encyclopedia. More broadly, it's a lesson in, let's say, "information flow", that has some important implications for trying to ensure accuracy. -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer Web site - http://sethf.com/ Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/

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Wikipedia Icons
by Tris Thomas 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

I'm looking for a page I found the other day that has all the WIkipedia icons that are free to use. Can anyone direct me to them?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium
by WJhonson＠aol.com 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

In a message dated 4/10/2009 6:03:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wikimail(a)inbox.org writes: > So don't join.>> ---------- That's exactly my point isn't it? How many in-bound links are there to Citizendium? How many in-bound links are there to IMDb? IMDb now allows *any* member of the public to create synopsis. Brittanica now allows any member of the public to edit (under moderation), just like we're proposing for the project. If you're a good writer, people will read your material, and your edits will be approved. I think the world has passed Citizendium by. Will Johnson ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

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