In a message dated 4/12/2009 11:13:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sheldon(a)prwatch.org writes:
> If anything, the failure of Nupedia shows that Sanger and Wales
> deserve *more* credit, not less. Rather than giving up on the idea of
> an online encyclopedia after their first attempt,>>
That reminds me of the follow up question I was thinking about the other day.
Is Citizendium everything that was in Nupedia, plus new stuff? Or did
Citizendium start over from nothing? Or (C) ?
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In a message dated 4/12/2009 9:31:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu writes:
> This is exactly what matters. From what I can tell Sanger wrote much of
> Wikipedia's initialy policy - policy that lives on today in various edited
> forms. Not only was he key in coming up with the more formal guidelines
> for
> Nupedia, he personally wrote many of the informal guidelines that came to
> be
> used on Wikipedia. This is well documented on archive.org and Wikipedia
> itself.>>
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As far as "on Wikipedia itself" and "policy", we see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_original_research&
diff=2014983&oldid=2014449
The first two edits to WP:NOR for example, which is one of the core
policies.
Maybe you could post something that shows you evidence on this?
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In a message dated 4/11/2009 8:08:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ragesoss+wikipedia(a)gmail.com writes:
> In part, I think this is because they
> really, really want to avoid letting any vandals through; the lack of
> that particular aspect of Wikipedia is a major selling point for many
> of their users and potential users.>>
>
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Which explains why they have 20 authors and 10,000 articles only.
I suppose vandals created the other million articles on Wikipedia?
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Brian that's all irrelevant. They are not *asking* you to describe
yourself, they are *compelling* you to do it. That's not the same thing.
And in addition, the page does not even state that they will use this
information for any purpose, to verify, to identify, to accept, to ... anything.
That's the second point.
Address those points.
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Depends... Michel may be comparing Wikipedia (and this list in particular)
to NK as well.
Fayssal F.
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:11:07 +0100
> From: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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> 2009/4/11 Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipedia(a)zog.org>:
>
> > I don't get the point.
> > In North Korea I assume it's not looked favourably upon when you
> > criticise the Dear Leader.
> > Does that mean that no North Korean should criticise WMF on Wikipedia?
>
>
> No, it's that wikien-l has a civility rule too. And saying "I'M GOING
> TO REPEAT MYSELF FOREVER UNTIL YOU AGREE WITH ME" falls afoul of it.
>
> You appear to be comparing Citizendium to North Korea.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
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>
> Oskar Sigvardsson
> If you want free speech, use your blog. You can say whatever you want there.
In watching this incident unfold, I've been impressed
regarding the way that the take-it-to-where-Jimbo-*is* strategy
appears to be *right*, as a matter of effectiveness. Despite the limited
perceptions of those who are quick to deem critics as trolls, I'm
fascinated by the group dynamics and sociology of Wikipedia.
Now, phrases like "free speech" can lead to knee-jerking as people
rush to recite cliches. Yada, yada, First-Amendment-is-government,
private-legal-rights, blah, blah. Like the old joke, we should just
number those arguments, so people could simply say "#17" or "#23", and
get them out of the way. Been there, done that, got the flame-wars.
We're really talking about qualities like ethics and fairness
in pursuit of justice (very vague words, I know). What's so interesting
in specific here, is that only now has Larry Sanger's evidence reached
some of the relatively tiny number of core editors who are highly
influential in shaping the relevant Wikipedia articles. And apparently
only because it was put in the places those editors read, over many
formalistic and legalistic objections (WP:THISPOLICYMEANSWHATISAYITDOES).
That is, on his website, the "right" people *DID* *NOT* *READ* *IT*.
You could link to it. You could have a _Guardian_ columnist repeatedly
refer to it in articles about Wikipedia 1/2 :-). You could bring it up
over and over in various comments. *DIDN'T* *MATTER*. Only a very
particular setting was effective in this case.
It should be needless to say, but this is significant for
building an encyclopedia. More broadly, it's a lesson in, let's say,
"information flow", that has some important implications for trying to
ensure accuracy.
--
Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer
Web site - http://sethf.com/
Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/
In a message dated 4/10/2009 6:03:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wikimail(a)inbox.org writes:
> So don't join.>>
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That's exactly my point isn't it?
How many in-bound links are there to Citizendium?
How many in-bound links are there to IMDb?
IMDb now allows *any* member of the public to create synopsis.
Brittanica now allows any member of the public to edit (under moderation),
just like we're proposing for the project.
If you're a good writer, people will read your material, and your edits
will be approved.
I think the world has passed Citizendium by.
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