The problem with that is that people end up importing them (and the template jungle) but often never improve them. Fred

-----Original Message----- From: Anthony <wikimail(a)inbox.org> To: WJhonson(a)aol.com; English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium But not everyone is unwilling to write 50 words about themselves in order to join Citizendium.  I did it (http://tinyurl.com/cjo5hc), though I no longer contribute due to other concerns (the main concern being one that Wikipedia will soon be no better with regard to - lack of respect for copyright). By the way, to answer your question "what's the point of that", the point is to create a project where people contribute under their real names and identities. ------------------------ On the first part, the page does not state that you must do this *in order* to join, it merely asks you to do this. Many sites ask you to describe yourself. This is the first one I've encountered, out of many programs I've joined, that tries to *compel* you to do so, and if you don't you can't join. That's quite different. If Citizendium wants to compel people to describe themselves, they should state it clearly on the page that if you don't, they will reject you. But they don't state that. On your second point, the biography has nothing to do with your real name. The real name field is another separate field, not within the biographical detail box. Will Johnson