I was checking out [[Template:Lifetime]], which seems to be in a state
of flux, and was surprised to read
"Since Categories are preferred to be listed in most-common order, the
Lifetime template should generally be placed after the last Category tag
..."
WP:CAT has:
"The order in which categories are placed on a page is not governed by
any single rule (for example, it does not need to be alphabetical).
Normally the most essential, significant categories are listed first."
Which makes more sense to me, as representing the traditional view.
Calling birth and death dates somehow less essential than other
categories rather jars with my feelings.
Charles
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No, my argument is not spurious - it's to the point. We operate in a community, and there are plenty of things I would do differently too if I had my way with everything. There's zero point in pursuing proposals that are strongly opposed by a significant section of the community. "Majority" (50%+1) is not good enough for something as important as this.
As another poster said: "Dont break the community". Flagged revisions and the increasing trend towards deletionism are the two developments that have the greatest risk of doing exactly that.
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Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
Your argument is spurious.
It may well be that this proposal is the only one that would pass - but
that neither means that it is good, nor that it is a good thing that it
is passing.
The proposal IMO is damaging to the cause of using flagged revisions in
a manner that will help BLP victims.
Doing nothing would be better than this.
Your argument is the logical fallacy that because "something must be
done" means "anything is better than the status quo", or that "any
movement is a step in the right direction" - which does not consider
that one can move, and move in the wrong direction.
Andrew Turvey wrote:
> And yet this poll seems to have significantly more support across the board than any other proposal that has been put forward. If there's another way of taking it forward that would have sufficient support, let's hear it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Monday, 30 March, 2009 23:23:31 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2
>
> Nathan wrote:
>> Two more problems:
>>
>> 1) This just barely made it on the watchlist notice, with a whopping one day
>> for further participation.
>>
>> 2) None of the details on how the trial will actually work have been
>> determined. Questions and opposition along these lines have been primarily
>> met with "We'll work that out when the poll closes."
>>
>> Nice.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> (expanded opinion at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Avruch/FlaggedRevs_vs._NPP)
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>
> First sensible response I've seen to this. I thought I was on my own as
> being a determined BLP warrior (or worrier) who opposed this ridiculous
> thing.
>
> It seems to be a victory of "something must be done - and this is
> something" over common sense.
>
> This does nothing at all for BLP subjects, screws flagged revisions, and
> introduces a nightmare, all at once.
>
> Nice indeed.
>
> Scott
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:13:23 -0600 (MDT), Fred Bauder wrote:
> Wikipedia works like Wall Street works,
Not exactly the most auspicious example to use these days...
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On the subject of what comes after wikipedia, or what successful forks there
are.
My experience in this regard with knol is interesting. Knol allows of course
POV, and OR, the idea being that the best ones will percolate to the top by
getting lots of ratings. This doesn't exactly seem to be what's occurring. I
would say that the best ones are percolating to the top by getting lots of
VIEWS which is quite a different thing.
Very few of my knols, even the most read ones, get any sort of editing, even
though they are marked "moderated editing". Does this mean that most people
would rather just write their own from scratch? Or does this mean people don't
want to add edits if I'm getting the revenue share? (which is pennies a
month)
Or does it just mean that Knol hasn't yet gotten the critical weight ?
Or maybe my knols are so perfect nobody can think of any edits.
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