Belated announcement:
New Foundation-l summary posted on LSS:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2009_January_1-15
(the last summary for December was also posted a couple weeks ago:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2008_December_15-31)
I am behind on the wikien-l summaries; will try to catch up
eventually. Concentrating on making the foundation-l summaries as
concise and clear as possible for now.
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Also, for more community news: after a few missing issues in December,
the English-Wikipedia Signpost ([[WP:POST]]) is back to publishing
weekly issues, with a renewed team of volunteers. Last week marked the
fourth year of regular publishing -- pretty remarkable!
And for even more news, Wikizine also continues to publish excellent
updates of community news: http://www.wikizine.org/
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In a message dated 1/17/2009 1:03:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
saintonge(a)telus.net writes:
Declaring a common law practice no longer valid is different from the
statutory repeal of a statutory provision.>>
That's right. "Repeal" wasn't the word I would have chosen for this
decision.
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In a message dated 1/16/2009 8:45:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
saintonge(a)telus.net writes:
True enough, because you can't repeal what was never in the law in the
first place.>>
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Whether or not it was part of Common Law is exactly the issue.
You have to read up on the doctrine here
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow)
Note how the "doctrine" is viewed in England. Or at least as presented here.
It should be apparent that the doctrine was treated as an implicit part of
US law until recently.
That is why, you see, it wound up at the Supreme Court in the first place.
To reconcile conflicting issues with the treatment of this implicit doctrine.
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In a message dated 1/17/2009 12:45:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
saintonge(a)telus.net writes:
To summarize, I responded to whether I would agree to post a scan by you
of otherwise PD material without first getting your permission. You
would have no right of action at all if the scan were by anybody else.>>
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I'm not referring to *my* scans. I never was.
And I never claimed that *I* would have a right of action.
Why not just pick some page from Google Books of an obviously old edition?
Seems pretty easy to find some old book.
I haven't read their terms of service to see if they'd object though...
Will
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In a message dated 1/16/2009 9:57:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
saintonge(a)telus.net writes:
Absolutely!>>
Are you willing to do it? That's the next question.
All of this is academic if there is *no one* willing to test this theory by
actually executing it.
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In a message dated 1/16/2009 10:12:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tracy.poff(a)gmail.com writes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aphra_Behn_by_Mary_Beale.jpg
I uploaded that a while ago. I stand by my interpretation at the time
that my action was legal and appropriate.>>
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And we can see that you give credit to the site from where you took it.
So your example does not pass that test.
Would you be willing to load a picture without giving credit to from where
you took it?
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In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
Well yes. Just as I will ignore claims of copyright by the building
owner over photos I take of buildings in the UK.>>
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Not a good example.
The building owner is not working your camera, you are.
You own the photographs you take, not the person who owns the object being
photographed.
But what you are advocating, is that if you take lots of photos, and post
them to your own web site, that any person wandering by who says "Oh that's an
image of a piece of art in the public domain" can just lift it off your site,
and plop it on theirs.
Without any credit to you, without any consideration.
That's quite different from taking a picture of a building.
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In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:15:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
Just about every company that makes Generic pharmaceutics.>>
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So you're advocating stealing from pharmacies to get free drugs?
Otherwise I don't see the point in this example
We're talking about *free* here after all
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In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:56:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
morven(a)gmail.com writes:
You are copying the formula. There is no item itself to be "stolen".>>
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And no one is stopping anyone, from taking an old Bible and scanning it.
But if you want to come to my bible.org website and copy off all my scans of
old bibles and then post them up on your website, that is quite a different
thing.
The simple fact that an underlying object is PD does not give carte blanche
to rehost someone else's photographs.
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In a message dated 1/16/2009 11:04:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tracy.poff(a)gmail.com writes:
I don't see any benefit in attempting to agitate people. Furthermore,
as a student I was taught to credit my sources, not because it's
legally necessary, but because it's the appropriate and ethical thing
to do. I have no intention of compromising on my ethics at your
goading.>>
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I'm not asking *you* to it.
The point was raised in this thread, by someone who isn't you, that we
should feel free to take these images we find on the web of things which are PD,
and do whatever we want to with them, including not giving credit to where we
got them.
That is, in fact, the point of this sub thread on the whole credit issue.
So an example where you give credit, doesn't really address the main point of
this sub sub sub thread ;)
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