I think you may misunderstand. I don't see Wikipedia, written properly, to be at odds with an individual. Our articles should be neutral in tone and composed of only facts already published in sources available to the public. Provided we do that properly, and stick to those requirements, we're fine on any BLP you've got.
No individual has a right to suppress informtion because (s)he simply dislikes it. Sometimes, the truth hurts. But in the end a lie, whether of omission or commission, is worse.
I have no problem enforcing our content policies strictly and immediately to BLPs. No one wants another issue like Siegenthaler. But the Siegenthaler incident was due to false, unverifiable information. What we're talking now is suppressing true, publicly verifiable information. That's different, and that's unacceptable.
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From: "Ian Woollard" <ian.woollard(a)gmail.com>
Subj: Re: [WikiEN-l] Biography of Living persons
Date: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:49 pm
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On 31/12/2008, toddmallen(a)gmail.com <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> NPOV is not just a rule. It's what allows us to have a project at all. It is
> not "right" to violate NPOV because reality hurts someone's feelings.
> Reality frequently is painful. It's neither possible nor our job to change
> that.
> It's our job to make a neutral, factual, verifiable reference work. Not to
> impose our notions of right and wrong.
That is A definition of right and wrong, you're saying that the
wikipedia is more important than individuals. You're valuing the
wikipedia more than them. That's your right. But it's also his right
to value individuals above the wikipedia.
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>
> From: Ken Arromdee <arromdee(a)rahul.net>
> Subj: Re: [WikiEN-l] Biography of Living persons
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> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 toddmallen(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> I've even been told, by someone who should know better, that BLP is
>> more important than NPOV, and saw not a bit of outrage.
>
> NPOV is a rule. BLP is about doing what's right.
>
> Some people elevate rules over doing what's right. I'm not one of them.
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In a message dated 12/31/2008 3:48:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ian.woollard(a)gmail.com writes:
But it's also his right
to value individuals above the wikipedia.>>
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His right however does not translate into any requirement for change in this
project.
Everybody has a choice to do what they want, and be where they are.
The right of some to present reality with all its warts versus the right of
others to hide those warts is a conflict which has existed since pre-history.
Will Johnson
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In a message dated 12/31/2008 3:12:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
arromdee(a)rahul.net writes:
NPOV is a rule. BLP is about doing what's right.
Some people elevate rules over doing what's right. >>
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NPOV is a core policy. BLP is not at that level.
NPOV allows carries clout over BLP.
Perhaps someone wants to create a new project like
_http://www.moralipedia.com_ (http://www.moralipedia.com)
"Where we only write bright happy thoughts!"
Will Johnson
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