Then there are also a number of us en-wiki admins who do not use IRC for
various reasons. Posting an e-mail to the OTRS list will almost always get a
wiki-admin's eyes on it.
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"Thomas Dalton" wrote
> > If it were to be brought to trial, the victim's identity becomes part of the
> > trial record. You can't have an anonymous victim.
>
> Sure, you can. They are referred to as "Witness A", or whatever. I'm
> not sure what the requirements are to be allowed to remain anonymous,
> but it certainly happens.
That's pretty much theoretical. The "stalker" here is a gmail address sending via Tor (apparently). The victim is anonymous and intends to remain so.
Charles
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Todd Allen wrote:
> In any jurisdiction which guarantees the right to non-secret trials,
> they actually sure do. I happen to like the idea that I cannot be
> tried in secret if I'm accused of a crime, and that an accuser must be
> confident enough of his/her accusation to actually come forward by
> name. It would be a poor society indeed that allowed people to be
> imprisoned on the basis of secret accusations by anonymous people at
> closed trials.
It depends somewhat on the nature of the crime. For example, courts do
not disclose the identities of children who are sexually molested,
even though those children may be called upon to testify in court. In
some such cases, pains are taken to ensure that the victims do not
have to face the accused directly in court (for example, by using
videotaped testimony, or by using third-party testimony rather than
the testimony of the victim at trial).
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Hi,
the english language OTRS queue does receive about 20-40 emails per
day, with a large share of emails coming from a "template" draft,
demanding the removal of images showing the person which is
considered to be a prophet by some.
Since the large share of the emails consists of sentences which are
not from the actual person which is writing to us, it is not possible
to count this as a correct represenation of the individual intentions
of those people.
My suggestion would be to collect the email addresses from the OTRS
info-en:Muhammad sub-queue (and maybe from the general info-en queue
dealing with that topic) and send out a survey with a few questions
about their intentions. Each email to the people in that list should
contain an URL to a web based survey with a unique ID to prevent
multiple participation. Input on the wording and the methodology is
highly appreciated. Please note that some questions are overlapping.
I do not expect to get represenative figures from such a survey but
only a number of insights on the opinions of this very special group
of people who chose to send along emails to WMF, complaining about the
image. It will also cover the people who emailed us in support of
keeping the images, who could also answer the questions from their
respective point of view.
1. Topic-related:
Please state on a scale from 0 to 10 (10 being the strongest), whether
the following statements apply to you or whether you consider these
statements to be correct:
a) Knowing that a web site displays a copy of an medieval drawing
depicting the islamic prophet Muhammad does emotionally hurt me in my
everyday life: 0-10
b) Knowing that a web site displays a copy of an medieval drawing
depicting the islamic prophet Muhammad does hurt my religious
feelings: 0 - 10
c) Contemporary islamic interpretation of iconophobia should always
apply to any web site, regardless of their country of origin or their
religous affiliation: 0 - 10
d) Threatening physical violence to people displaying medieval
drawings to force them to remove those images is justified: 0 - 10
e) It would be sufficient to provide a personal feature which allows
me to turn showing the images off (just for me). Others would still
see them as default: 0 - 10
f) It would be sufficient to move those images to a special article
called [[Depictions of Muhammed]]: 0 - 10
g) Wikipedia should be allowed to decide the question of proper
illustration of articles on their own: 0 - 10
h) Wikipedia should not only remove drawings of an unveiled Muhammad
but also any other image showing him: 0 - 10
i) Wikipedia should not only remove drawings of Muhammad but also any
other image showing people: 0 - 10
j) If Wikipedia keeps those images online, it will cause disturbances
among Muslims: 0 - 10
k) Wikipedia has an obligation to maintain articles to Islam-related
topics in a factual and neutral way: 0 - 10
2. Personal information (optional)
Please state the following information about yourself, if you want:
a) age
b) gender
c) country of origin
d) religious affiliation
It's no big deal, but sometimes folks get Armed Blowfish and me mixed up because of the initials.
I am User:A. B. -- an unarmed, non-piscine, mostly harmless admin.
A. B.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:A._B.
PS I'm glad Gerogewilliamherbert and the Foundation are taking Armed Blowfish's concerns seriously.
***
> Wily D wilydoppelganger at gmail.com
> Mon Feb 25 17:23:53 UTC 2008
>
> At the very least, "A.B." has indicated to me that a
> member of the ArbCom has acted in a proxy role, passing
> (at least some) information between A.B. and
> "AnonymousWikipedian", which would certainly be more
> complicit than "reading an email".
>
> I would wager to say that "A.B." is a particularly good
> target for this sort of thing, since you really need
> background knowledge of A.B. to work out that they're
> sensitive to this kind of thing - at least, a decent
> familiarity with the various dramas. Someone
> established at en.wiki, though I've no reason to
> believe they're in a role of any "power".
>
> I'll stress that I've only received information from
> A.B., and that I can't vouch for the accuracy or
> reliability of any of it. While my inkling is that
> maintaining the whole A.B. personality as a persona
> would be exceedingly difficult and they're likely to be
> genuine, I can't attest it of my own knowledge.
>
> Cheers WilyD
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Raphael Wegmann wrote
> apparently I've just been blocked 48h for violating WP:DTTR,
> which is not a policy or guideline, and editors are not obliged
> to follow.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the block, you'd certainly do better to use User talk pages for civil discussion, in a collegiate way.
Charles
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In a message dated 2/23/2008 4:26:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
Not really. The cover of a bio of Gandhi isn't of much significance or
relivance to the article>>
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If there is a book about Gandhi, and our Gandhi article has no image of
Gandhi, wouldn't you say it's appropriate to have an image instead of no image?
Whether the cover image is significant or relevant, is not material to the
separate issue of whether using it would be "Fair Use".
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In a message dated 2/24/2008 1:54:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
The problem of replaceable fair use images removing the incentive to
find and upload free stuff? I think we have made rather a large dent
in that problem.>>
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No the problem of using a bot to remove all fair-use images system-wide,
without any attempt to find any free images or even show evidence that any free
images exist.
That's the problem. It's harming the project. Please address it directly.
Thanks.
Will Johnson
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