WikiEN-l January 2007

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New Test Templates
by Myles Gray 25 Jan '07

25 Jan '07

Will someone please explain to me why the new test templates have a number one in front of it? I was placing {{uw-vandalism3}} on the user's talk page, and I find a number one. See here<about:blank>. Thanks! --Bushcarrot<about:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bushcarrot>

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Troubling news on Citizendium
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 25 Jan '07

25 Jan '07

"David Gerard" wrote > Larry Sanger seems to be doing a lot of one-to-one outreach to > academia. If he can work out a way for contribution to a GFDL > encyclopedia to enhance an academic career, the growth in quality > contributions to the open content pool should be fantastic. The people slogging for tenure will do it? The professors won't delegate it to the grad students? The grad students won't be the people who are already writing for us? If Larry gets tenure-track people to believe it will help them, then it really might be a breakthrough. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to stop Encyclopedia Dramatica from makingattackarticles on
by Fred Bauder 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

>-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Jacobs [mailto:gtjacobs@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 04:03 PM >To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to stop Encyclopedia Dramatica from makingattack articles on > >>From: Stan Shebs <stanshebs(a)earthlink.net> >> >>Tony Jacobs wrote: >> > As someone who appreciates both wikis, I continue to explain to each >> > that the editors of the other are actually human beings, and not some >> > kind of monsters. >>Sure they're humans - average-age-14 humans, from the looks of it. > >I don't know of any that young. The ones I know range in age from 19 to 30. > I think a lot are college age. > >> > If they stop making fun of Wikipedians, it'll be because they decide >> > we're cool after all, not because we declare war on them and somehow >> > win. >>I *so* don't care whether 14-year-olds think I'm cool or not. >> > >Then you're contributing to a conversation about "how to stop" them... for >what reason? You're making a point here? Are you advocating anything I'm >not? You think we shouldn't ignore them? You think we should go ahead and >generate lots of drama in some kind of wiki-war? > >I find your reply puzzling. > > >Tony/GTBacchus No, he's not. He's just had enough. Best to mind our own business. Fred

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Using external peer review for articles with COI aura
by Mathias Schindler 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

Hi, I need your feedback about a scenario that could be useful especially for articles with lots of people prevented from editing it because auf conflicts of interests. Assuming that employees from a company would have a look at all the articles about them, their products, their projects, biographical articles about their board members and so on, would it make sense to put all these collected comments to a single site accessible to Wikipedians? En.wp has sites such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_peer_review where (mostly journalistic / scientific) statements about wikipedia articles are collected. When Nature released the list of feedback on 42 articles, the result was amazing. Currently, External peer review has nothing to do with COI, of course. Mathias

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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to stop Encyclopedia Dramatica from makingattack articles on us
by Fred Bauder 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

>-----Original Message----- >From: Parker Peters [mailto:parkerpeters1002@gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 01:22 PM >To: 'English Wikipedia' >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to stop Encyclopedia Dramatica from making attack articles on us > >On 1/24/07, . <aroquk(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> As you know, Encyclopedia Dramatica has attack articles on many >> Wikipedians. Well, they changed hosts so maybe their new host will care >> more about abuse reports. >> >> They used to be hosted by DreamHost who was unhelpful about abuse >> complaints. Dreamhost now only their DNS now. >> >> Their server IPs are: >> encyclopediadramatica.net 72.249.60.226 >> pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com 72.249.60.227 >> >> A whois lookup on these shows they comes from colo4dallas.com and a >> traceroute finds cogentco.com as the next closest hop. This means the >> email addresses to report abuse to are now: abuse(a)colo4dallas.com, >> support(a)colo4dallas.com, abuse(a)cogentco.com >> >> If we get enough reports in, they may shut down their site. >> > >Attempting to set up an organized attack, especially by filing what may >arguably false reports, isn't going to help anyone's cause. > >In fact, it could leave Wikipedia open to some legal troubles. > >Parker Besides that, it is wrong. Best just to leave them alone. Fred

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Nofollow back on URL links on en.wikipedia.org articles for now
by Brion Vibber 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Having been requested by Jimmy to do so, and having seen a fun rumor of a "search engine optimization world championship" contest targeting WP[1], I've gone ahead and switched rel="nofollow" back onto URLs in en.wikipedia.org's article namespace. (Better heuristic and manual flagging tools for URLs would of course be super; anyone interested in working on integrating such support into MediaWiki should swing on by the tech channels and give a shout.) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Global…. - -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com / brion @ wikimedia.org) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFseFTwRnhpk1wk44RAg96AKCg4mDkQKF42VYaqT2gkazXRl6yAQCeMXgD 5/MFvnxjDXf91chtVkviB5s= =++mN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [WikiEN-l] How to stop Encyclopedia Dramatica from making attack articles on us
by Fred Bauder 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

>They handle web memes better than we do in terms of accuracy, maybe not as >much as taste. Their "attacks" on Wikipedians constitute a minimal amount >of their content, albeit more than what was there when I was a >contributor. Most of their content revolves around LiveJournal. > >-Jeff Through the MONGO arbitration case the arbitration committee has probably restricted activities related to dem attica as much as appropriate. Main thing, don't make links to them. Editors who are active on dam attic may edit Wikipedia, but are expected to wear their Wikipedia hat, not their Dramatic hat. Going further is probably inappropriate, even mean-sprited. Fred

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Troubling news on Citizendium
by Sage Ross 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

Last week a Citizendium participant sent out this message on h-afro-am: http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-afro-am&month=0701&… The whole thing is worth reading, but the gist of it is this paragraph: "I am withdrawing from Citizendium because of the racist and sexist policy put in place by Larry Sanger, who claims that the disciplines of Ethnic Studies and Gender Studies do not belong in the list of top level categories in Citizendium, or as individual categories at all. Sanger has unilaterally decided that all race and gender topics should be split up under traditional disciplinary headings, so that there will be, for example, a sub-group of "African American Literature," and "African American History," but no category -- at any level -- in African American studies, and he embraces the same tactic of fragmenting other Ethnic Studies and Gender Studies. The fact that his broad strokes of exclusion primarily effect women and minority scholars does not seem to matter to him." I'm interested to know the reactions of the Wikipedians on this list who've been participating in Citizendium. This persistence of this kind of thing, especially entrenched at the policy level, would probably spell the doom of Citizendium's long-term prospects (which would be unfortunate in my view). -Sage

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Preloading template in new articles
by Mets501 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

Would anyone object to preloading a references section in every new article? For example, when a user searches for a topic and clicks the big "Create this article" link, the user will be shown a page like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Testing...testing...testing <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Testing...testing...testing&actio n=edit&preload=Template:Article+starter> &action=edit&preload=Template:Article+starter. The text of this template is at [[Template:Article starter]]. --Mets501

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Wikiworld : Di Filippo's genius (and the world in 2040) takes a collaborative turn
by SJ 24 Jan '07

24 Jan '07

Paul Di Filippo turns out a delightful wiki sendup in "Wikiworld", his contribution to the short story anthology "Fast Forward 1: Future Fiction from the Cutting Edge". The print book isn't out yet, but his story is. And it's for everyone who has ever been part of a wiki, proposed changes to a national referendum, or become a local jimmywhale. http://www.pyrsf.com/chapters/WikiWorld.htm http://www.amazon.com/Fast-Forward-Future-Fiction-Cutting/dp/1591024862 ++SJ

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