Most good bots use a direct conection to the server, so that is not a problem. Popups should not have any effect, since they do not do anything with new pages as far as I know. On 1/23/07, Gwern Branwen <gwern0(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- en:User:Firefoxman This user is.

Oh, so you are an admin already. *looks jealously* On 1/23/07, Mets501 <mets501wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- en:User:Firefoxman This user is.

I don't know much about preloading templates in edit boxes, but could you put an if statement in the template so it's blank if outside the main namespace? {{if|{{{NAMESPACE}}}=""|<references>||}} or something (I can't remember the syntax for if statements).

That would work generally but when you're talking about preloading, whatever is in the template source code is exactly what goes in the edit box; nothing is parsed, nothing can be commented out, etc. --Mets501

On 1/23/07, Mets501 &lt;mets501wiki(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Which is another good point, this wont help any new users add references. If they're not smart enough to see the big notice above the edit-box, then they're probably not wiki-savvy enough to know what the hell "==References==" or "&lt;!-- --&mt;" means. Still, my main argument still stands. It's condescending and rude, and that's not how we should treat our new users, let alone our experienced ones who are going to have to see that damn notice every damn time they start an article. I just think that that is not the way we should be treating new users. I know I would never have joined if I had been greeted by a bunch of reference-fanatic dudes who didn't have any patience with people who didn't quite get how wikipedia works. --Oskar

On 1/23/07, David Gerard &lt;dgerard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I thought about this, looked at it, thought some more... Not really condescending, I think, and a good reminder. I'd wait until tomorrow to make it live, but I say go for it if no good objections come up by tomorrow... -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com

On 1/24/07, Ray Saintonge &lt;saintonge(a)telus.net&gt; wrote: Actually, it does matter. References need to back up what you've written. It might be harder to check, but I'd mcuh rather check if a source is accurate than to check if one even exists. I totally agree with David Gerard. Having an article deleted is really a lot less noob friendly than asking for sources to avoid it. How to format sources really doesn't matter. Formatting is an easy fix for experienced editors. Just having them is a step in the right direction. Mgm

Sarcastic? Please forgive me for not noticing the invisible sarcasm-tags. My eyes probably need rechecking anyway. ;P Mgm On 1/24/07, Thomas Dalton &lt;thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

It’s protected in preparation for being preloaded on the edit pages if enabled. This won’t show up in WhatLinksHere. From: · Firefoxman [mailto:enwpmail@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:54 PM To: Brian Salter-Duke; English Wikipedia; Mets501 Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Preloading template in new articles Why is the page protected if nothing links to it? "Protected Template:Article starter: included in MediaWiki namespace [edit=sysop:move=sysop]" But when you look here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Article_starter> , you see this is false. On 1/23/07, Brian Salter-Duke &lt;b_duke(a)bigpond.net.au&gt; wrote: On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 10:51:22AM -0500, Mets501 wrote: Why not add <references/> as well. I'm always forgetting to check whether it is there before editing a section and adding refs. -- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke(a)bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- en:User:Firefoxman This user is.