THANKS. NOT MUCH CONCERNED.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
27/06/2005 MONDAY
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Phil Boswell wrote :
>"MacGyverMagic/Mgm" wrote:
> > Has anyone got a clue for how long the database will be locked for this
> > update?
>
>
>Is this causing the strange doubling effect wherein the last edit is
>appearing twice at the top of each history page, and single-diffs are
>failing?
>
>...and is it possible to make the notice announcing the upgrade a little
>larger?
>
>I sailed into a correct without noticing the Site-Notice and was somewhat
>startled to face the "locked-out" version of the edit page.
>--
>Phil
>[[en:User:Phil Boswell]]
>
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THANKS. INFORMATIVE. EDUCATIVE. ALL CAN'T BE SAME. EVERYTHING CAN'T HAPPEN AS WE THINK OR PLAN. SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN. AS IT HAPPENS, SO IS THE RESULT. AS YOU SOW, SO YOU REAP. IT'S LIVING.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
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27/06/05 MONDAY
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 James Gibbon wrote :
>Hello,
>
>This is my first mail to the list; I've been a contributor to
>Wikipedia for only five days. However, I've taken part in a wide
>range of discussion fora on the Internet over the last 9 years or
>so.
>
>But I was amazed to read a long-winded and detailed reply to a
>comment I'd made in a vote for deletion page (for the
>"Division_Street" article). In it, its author, who doesn't appear to
>be a member but uses the IP address 65.182.172.95, alleges that I am
>engaged in "wilful incomprehension" and "dirty net politics, a petty
>act of revenge that has come in response to the fact that I made a
>few of your friends look foolish elsewhere on this site, and did so
>without being apologetic about it". He goes on to say: "This is a
>power play on your faction's part, a brave little shoveback to
>reclaim a little online turf and make yourselves look like big men".
>He ends by commenting "rest assured, buddy, I will never let this
>one go", and signs himself "the noneditor".
>
>The comment which to which this was a response was a fairly
>innocuous and genuinely sincere remark on my part, to the effect
>that I was unable to establish the notability of the subject of his
>article. It's perfectly true that the author represents in the piece
>that it is notable, but I'm afraid I have already seen more than one
>article which makes this claim falsely; I just don't have the
>cultural background to judge this. My comment was not even a vote
>for deletion, only a note to say that the article should be
>rewritten if it was indeed notable, otherwise it should be deleted.
>
>In fact, contrary to the author's claim, I have no idea who he is
>and have no knowlege whatever of anything he might have been
>involved in at Wikipedia or anywhere else. I cannot claim to have
>established any friends in the brief time I've taken part, and I
>certainly do not belong to a "faction". I have no knowledge of any
>event which might prompt an "act of revenge". I find the idea of
>turf wars between rival gangs at an online encyclopaedia pretty
>unedifying, and would not wish to take part in one.
>
>Anyway the VfD page is obviously still there for anyone who's
>interested to see it. When the software upgrade is complete and the
>page is unlocked, I will respond as calmly and unemotionally as
>possible.
>
>A couple of questions, then: can anyone tell me who this person is?
>Does he have a history of this sort of thing? It does smell more
>than faintly of paranoia, I have to say. Is this sort of behaviour
>common in general at Wikipedia?
>
>It's been a bit of an eye-opener!
>
>Thanks and regards from the middle of England,
>James
>
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THANKS. NOW NOT CONCERNED.
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DANIEL RAY
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27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Fred Bauder wrote :
>Such behavior is not rare nor is it common. People on the Arbitration Committee see more than their share of it and it often results in the user being banned. Without being familiar with the article and its supporters ( I don't think you shared the name of the article ) I can't say if it is any regular editor with an account.
>
>I hope you are not permanently put off by this incident, but learn to effectively resist the energy it represents.
>
>Fred
>
>On Jun 27, 2005, at 7:18 AM, James Gibbon wrote:
>
>>A couple of questions, then: can anyone tell me who this person is?
>>Does he have a history of this sort of thing? It does smell more
>>than faintly of paranoia, I have to say. Is this sort of behaviour
>>common in general at Wikipedia?
>
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THANKS. REPLIED TWICE. KINDLY DO AVOID SENDING SAME EMAILS REPETITIVELY HELP SAVE RESOURCES AT BOTH ENDS FOR YOU APPRECIATE YOU CANNOT COMPEL ONE TO BE IDENTIFIED FOOL AND IF YOU BETTER KNOW, THE RESULT WOULD GO NEGATIVE. PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHILE SENDING EMAILS ALREADY SENT AND REPLIED. I DO HOPE YOU WOULD BE CAUTIOUS AND OBVIOUSLY NEVER MISUNDERSTAND ME FOR WRITING THIS LONG EMAIL.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Jimmy Wales wrote :
>James Gibbon wrote:
> > When the software upgrade is complete and the
> > page is unlocked, I will respond as calmly and unemotionally as
> > possible.
>
>It sounds like you'll make a great Wikipedian.
>
>Especially from anonymous ip numbers, well, you never know what they are
>going to say. The Internet is a big place and there are rather a large
>number of wingnuts out there.
>
>--Jimbo
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THANKS. ALREADY REPLIED. PLEASE AVOID REPETITIONS ANYWAY TO HELP SAVE TIME, MONEY AND RESOURCES AT BOTH ENDS.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Jimmy Wales wrote :
>James Gibbon wrote:
> > When the software upgrade is complete and the
> > page is unlocked, I will respond as calmly and unemotionally as
> > possible.
>
>It sounds like you'll make a great Wikipedian.
>
>Especially from anonymous ip numbers, well, you never know what they are
>going to say. The Internet is a big place and there are rather a large
>number of wingnuts out there.
>
>--Jimbo
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THANKS. I TOO. RIGHT. OBVIOUS.
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DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Jimmy Wales wrote :
>James Gibbon wrote:
> > When the software upgrade is complete and the
> > page is unlocked, I will respond as calmly and unemotionally as
> > possible.
>
>It sounds like you'll make a great Wikipedians.
>
>Especially from anonymous ip numbers, well, you never know what they are
>going to say. The Internet is a big place and there are rather a large
>number of wingnuts out there.
>
>--Jimbo
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THANKS. NOT YET LIKELY TO BE CONCERNED. MAY BE LATER.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
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27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Jimmy Wales wrote :
>I can offer no particularly helpful opinion on this, other than to say
>that with this kind of thoughtful analysis, we will certainly do our
>best in the end.
>
>This kind of thinking is *really* important to me, it is the *essence*
>of what it means (to me) to be a good wikipedian.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--Jimbo
>
>
>Fastfission wrote:
> > [[Category:Pseudoscience]] is one which gets objections at fairly
> > regular intervals. The reasons for the objections are pretty
> > straightforward --
>
>[...]
>
>
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THANKS. TRUE. LAW TOO HAS ETHICS TO FOLLOW. LAW FOR MAN BY MAN.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Ray Saintonge wrote :
>DF wrote:
>
>>Either we need to accept that such a list, though
>>potentially useful, is too much of a copyright concern
>>to keep around.
>>OR
>>
>>We need to come to some agreement that such lists will
>>be maintained despite the potential liability. In
>>which case, Jimbo probably needs sign off since he is
>>ultimately the one who is liable.
>>
>It is interesting to follow some of the links in our Feist v. Rural article. I was just reading through the decision in Assessment Technologies v. Wiredata (ooops I almost typed Wikidata. :-) ) http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/JX03YB6O.pdf where it was ruled that the copyright owner could not use copyright law to prevent access to non-copyright information. Cited in that case also was the case of Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc., 977 F.2d 1510, 1520-28 (9th Cir. 1992). There the court ruled that it was fair use for Accolade to make a copy of and reverse engineer Sega's console software in order to make its own games playable on Sega's system. The court said, "For technical reasons, Accolade had to make a copy of the source code in order to be able to obtain this information. It didnt want to sell the source code, produce a game-console operating system, or make any other use of the copyrighted code except to be able to sell a noninfringing product, namely a computer game. The court held that this intermediate copying of the operating system was a fair use, since the only effect of enjoining it would be to give Sega control over noninfringing products, namely Accolades games."
>
>It is also of interest that in a later ruling on costs Wiredata was awarded $91,765.28 in legal fees. To a large extent this was because there was an attempt to extent rights beyond what was avaiable in copyrights, and a recognition that the defendant in such cases is often at a disadvantage. "When the prevailing party is the defendant, who by definition receives not a small award but no award, the presumption in favor of awarding fees is very strong. See Diamond Star Building Corp. v. Freed, 30 F.3d 503, 506 (4th Cir. 1994). For without the prospect of such an award, the party might be forced into a nuisance settlement or deterred altogether from enforcing his rights.
>
>AFAIK The discussion so far on this point has been an internal one, with no intervention by anyone representing EB. I don't believe that we are infringing their copyrights, but even if we were there are steps which they must take if they wish to enforce that right. The first such step would be to issue a take-down order. That would give us an opportunity to comply without further problems. In a clear case of copyright violation we would indeed be required to take things down when we become aware of the problem even without such a notice. Where there is serious doubt about the copyrightability of the material we do better by giving ourselves the benefit of the doubt.
>
>Ec
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THANKS. ALREADY REPLIED. PLEASE AVOID REPETITION.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Brion Vibber wrote :
>Phil Boswell wrote:
>>>>...and is it possible to make the notice announcing the upgrade a little
>>>>larger?
>>>>I sailed into a correct without noticing the Site-Notice and was somewhat
>>>>startled to face the "locked-out" version of the edit page.
>>>
>>>I'll poke at it a bit...
>>
>>Aaahh, that's better :-)
>>
>>BTW you're obviously posting from somewhere unusual, because OE was able to
>>read your message directly without having to open it as an attachment !?!?!
>
>I'm reading this list through a newsreader on the gmane link, and
>postings didn't default to PGP-signed.
>
>See what happens to this one though. ;)
>
>-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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THANKS. NOW NOT SO MUCH TO BE CONCERNED.
YOURS
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Phil Boswell wrote :
>"Brion Vibber" <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote in
>message news:d9o7kg$voh$1@sea.gmane.org...
> > Phil Boswell wrote:
>[query and excellent explanation snipped]
>
> >> ...and is it possible to make the notice announcing the upgrade a little
> >> larger?
> >> I sailed into a correct without noticing the Site-Notice and was somewhat
> >> startled to face the "locked-out" version of the edit page.
> > I'll poke at it a bit...
>
>Aaahh, that's better :-)
>
>BTW you're obviously posting from somewhere unusual, because OE was able to
>read your message directly without having to open it as an attachment !?!?!
>--
>Phil
>[[en:User:Phil Boswell]]
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