THANKS. MAY NOW BE NOT MUCH CONCERNED.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/05 MONDAY
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 Brion Vibber wrote :
>>"MacGyverMagic/Mgm" wrote:
>>
>>>Has anyone got a clue for how long the database will be locked for this update?
>
>Some hours, don't know how long exactly. Probably less than a full day, but no guarantee. :)
>
>All our other wikis remain open for editing in the meantime, so feel free to slake your wiki-thirst in Commons, Wiktionary, Wikinews, etc or Wikipedia in another language while en.wikipedia.org is locked.
>
>Phil Boswell wrote:
>>Is this causing the strange doubling effect wherein the last edit is appearing twice at the top of each history page, and single-diffs are failing?
>
>Yes. The old database schema stored the current revision and older revisions in separate databases. The new schema rearranges things so revision data is stored in one place more consistently.
>
>The conversion works by first copying the current data in to where we had the old revisions, then breaking that off into the new text-storage, revision-metadata, and page tables.
>
>So in the meantime if you look at history, you will see two copies of the current revision -- one in each table.
>
>>...and is it possible to make the notice announcing the upgrade a little larger?
>>
>>I sailed into a correct without noticing the Site-Notice and was somewhat startled to face the "locked-out" version of the edit page.
>
>I'll poke at it a bit...
>
>-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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Hello,
This is my first mail to the list; I've been a contributor to
Wikipedia for only five days. However, I've taken part in a wide
range of discussion fora on the Internet over the last 9 years or
so.
But I was amazed to read a long-winded and detailed reply to a
comment I'd made in a vote for deletion page (for the
"Division_Street" article). In it, its author, who doesn't appear to
be a member but uses the IP address 65.182.172.95, alleges that I am
engaged in "wilful incomprehension" and "dirty net politics, a petty
act of revenge that has come in response to the fact that I made a
few of your friends look foolish elsewhere on this site, and did so
without being apologetic about it". He goes on to say: "This is a
power play on your faction's part, a brave little shoveback to
reclaim a little online turf and make yourselves look like big men".
He ends by commenting "rest assured, buddy, I will never let this
one go", and signs himself "the noneditor".
The comment which to which this was a response was a fairly
innocuous and genuinely sincere remark on my part, to the effect
that I was unable to establish the notability of the subject of his
article. It's perfectly true that the author represents in the piece
that it is notable, but I'm afraid I have already seen more than one
article which makes this claim falsely; I just don't have the
cultural background to judge this. My comment was not even a vote
for deletion, only a note to say that the article should be
rewritten if it was indeed notable, otherwise it should be deleted.
In fact, contrary to the author's claim, I have no idea who he is
and have no knowlege whatever of anything he might have been
involved in at Wikipedia or anywhere else. I cannot claim to have
established any friends in the brief time I've taken part, and I
certainly do not belong to a "faction". I have no knowledge of any
event which might prompt an "act of revenge". I find the idea of
turf wars between rival gangs at an online encyclopaedia pretty
unedifying, and would not wish to take part in one.
Anyway the VfD page is obviously still there for anyone who's
interested to see it. When the software upgrade is complete and the
page is unlocked, I will respond as calmly and unemotionally as
possible.
A couple of questions, then: can anyone tell me who this person is?
Does he have a history of this sort of thing? It does smell more
than faintly of paranoia, I have to say. Is this sort of behaviour
common in general at Wikipedia?
It's been a bit of an eye-opener!
Thanks and regards from the middle of England,
James
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THANKS. OBVIOUS. BALANCE IS THE ESSENCE.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/2005 MONDAY
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 Henry Kissinger wrote :
>Why most certainly we always expect balanced journalism. The world needs
>and expects lady killer lounge lizards, and even gay JJs ;).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JAY JG"
> To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Conflict arising - what to do?
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:38:48 -0400
>
> >
> > In articles which concern the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, don't
> > most edits consist of POV editors from both sides repeatedly
> > reverting each other? ;-)
> >
> > Jay.
> >
> > > From: Fred Bauder
> > >
> > > That's true, but in at least one area, articles which concern
> > > the Israeli-Palestine conflict, it is not unlikely that one
> > > editor may be repeatedly reverted by a group of POV editors.
> > > Perhaps other instances exist.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:17 PM, JAY JG wrote:
> > >
> > >>> From: Jack Lynch
> > >>>
> > >>> I think we need better answers. I am familar w cases like this,
> and
> > >>> where they end up. How about its a large POV lobby instead of a
> single
> > >>> user, and they are trying to POV an ancient and contentious
> topic,
> > >>> chasing off any and all NPOV users who come along?
> > >>>
> > >>> Jack (Sam Spade)
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Um, isn't that what every single POV editor claims when a large
> > >> number of other editors reject his POV edits?
> > >>
> > >> Jay.
> > >>
> > >>
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YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
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27/06/2005 MON
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 Henry Kissinger wrote :
>Your capacity for thought experimetation is impressive. I like my
>friendships to be based on admiration, respect, and trust. All BS aside,
>you can walk away from me with no fear. You could actually call upon me
>for anything you think you may need. I am not as smart as the average
>bear, and would never forget that I am at the bottom of the pack (dogs).
>Anger, frustration, or jealousy could never rock me from that
>understanding.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Bauder"
> To: "English Wikipedia"
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Conflict arising - what to do?
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:00:54 -0600
>
> >
> > That's true, but in at least one area, articles which concern the
> > Israeli-Palestine conflict, it is not unlikely that one editor may
> > be repeatedly reverted by a group of POV editors. Perhaps other
> > instances exist.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:17 PM, JAY JG wrote:
> >
> > >> From: Jack Lynch
> > >>
> > >> I think we need better answers. I am familar w cases like this,
> and
> > >> where they end up. How about its a large POV lobby instead of a
> single
> > >> user, and they are trying to POV an ancient and contentious
> topic,
> > >> chasing off any and all NPOV users who come along?
> > >>
> > >> Jack (Sam Spade)
> > >>
> > >
> > > Um, isn't that what every single POV editor claims when a large
> > > number of other editors reject his POV edits?
> > >
> > > Jay.
> > >
> > >
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DANIEL RAY
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27/06/05 MON
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 JAY JG wrote :
>In articles which concern the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, don't most edits consist of POV editors from both sides repeatedly reverting each other? ;-)
>
>Jay.
>
>> From: Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)ctelco.net>
>>
>>That's true, but in at least one area, articles which concern the Israeli-Palestine conflict, it is not unlikely that one editor may be repeatedly reverted by a group of POV editors. Perhaps other instances exist.
>>
>>Fred
>>
>>
>>On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:17 PM, JAY JG wrote:
>>
>>>> From: Jack Lynch <jack.i.lynch(a)gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>I think we need better answers. I am familar w cases like this, and
>>>>where they end up. How about its a large POV lobby instead of a single
>>>>user, and they are trying to POV an ancient and contentious topic,
>>>>chasing off any and all NPOV users who come along?
>>>>
>>>>Jack (Sam Spade)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Um, isn't that what every single POV editor claims when a large number of other editors reject his POV edits?
>>>
>>>Jay.
>>>
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TO:
FASTFISSION (FASTFISSION(a)GMAIL.COM)
SIRS,
THANKS. INFORMATIVE ON YOUR PART. A LITTLE OFF THE TRACK. PRESUMPTIVELY EXPLANATORY INDEED. NOT FRUITFUL TO MY STATE OF KNOWLEDGE.
YOURS,
DANIEL RAY
DANIELRAY(a)REDIFFMAIL.COM
27/06/2005 MONDAY
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 David Gerard wrote :
>Fastfission (fastfission(a)gmail.com) [050626 13:04]:
>
> > Even more alternative solution: move it off of Wikipedia altogether,
> > to the webspace of some brave soul who would be happy to post a list
> > of "articles EB has that Wikipedia does not" (they could even pretend
> > it was an anti-Wikipedia page!).
> > One could easily imagine a script which would cycle through the
> > articles once every few days and check if they are still red-linked,
> > and move the filled in ones to a different section of the page. Hell,
> > I'll *write* that script if nobody else will. Then we can forget the
> > whole question. If someone will host it.
> > (I'd host it myself if I had any webspace of my own which could support it)
>
>
>I really don't see why this can't be hosted on Wikipedia, for the reasons
>you state. The fact that it's in Wikipedia: space as well makes it clear
>this is a working document, not product. If it's decided it can't be
>hosted on Wikipedia, I have plenty of places to put it, thatn can run cron
>jobs to run scripts to update it and so forth. (Though I'd have a hard time
>pretending to be anti-Wikipedia ;-) But I do think it belongs on Wikipedia
>if at all possible.
>
>
>- d.
>
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Thanks to all who sent me Gmail invites.
I'll set up an account there and see how much
better it is for word wrap and threaded reading.
Thanks again.
Michael Turley
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MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
>On 6/25/05, Timwi <timwi(a)gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
>>DF wrote:
>>
>>
>>>there is an ongoing discussion of whether EB holds a
>>>copyright in the list of articles itself.
>>>
>>>
>>I've asked this back when I did the Columbia list, and I didn't get a
>>response, but I'll ask the same question again now: Why don't we just
>>ask them if they're okay with it?
>>
>>
>I was about to ask the same thing in my post, but I somehow forgot.
>
>
And if they don't answer, but simply complain to the media instead?
Given their regular habit of bad-mouthing us in the press, I'm not keen
on handing them an opportunity they can spin into "Look, Wikipedia is
blatantly copying all of our articles." With Brockhaus, where we have
established contacts and a more amicable relationship, I might view it
differently.
--Michael Snow
Why most certainly we always expect balanced journalism. The world needs
and expects lady killer lounge lizards, and even gay JJs ;).
----- Original Message -----
From: "JAY JG"
To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Conflict arising - what to do?
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:38:48 -0400
>
> In articles which concern the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, don't
> most edits consist of POV editors from both sides repeatedly
> reverting each other? ;-)
>
> Jay.
>
> > From: Fred Bauder
> >
> > That's true, but in at least one area, articles which concern
> > the Israeli-Palestine conflict, it is not unlikely that one
> > editor may be repeatedly reverted by a group of POV editors.
> > Perhaps other instances exist.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:17 PM, JAY JG wrote:
> >
> >>> From: Jack Lynch
> >>>
> >>> I think we need better answers. I am familar w cases like this,
and
> >>> where they end up. How about its a large POV lobby instead of a
single
> >>> user, and they are trying to POV an ancient and contentious
topic,
> >>> chasing off any and all NPOV users who come along?
> >>>
> >>> Jack (Sam Spade)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Um, isn't that what every single POV editor claims when a large
> >> number of other editors reject his POV edits?
> >>
> >> Jay.
> >>
> >>
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