WikiEN-l October 2004

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[Fwd: SubGenius / Subgenius]
by SubGenius Networks 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Love that "Bob" -but it's not about Church; it's about Slack. I will attempt to develop suitable entry's to appease all involved atleast as far as legal liability allows. We're currently involved in a legal case over trademark. You my follow along at home if you desire. USPTO.GOV SUBGENIUS IS BiGGER THAN "BOB". LET THERE BE SLACK.

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Re: Red Herring article on wiki wars
by Michael Snow 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Sj wrote: >http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=10909&hed=Wiki+wars > >Makes it sound as though we will have professional editors next year, hmmm. >When will someone write an article on Gdanzig? Aside from a few minor >errors - the # of times arts were protected and the "Wikipedia >Foundation" - it's pretty positive. > > Well, there's also an error of sorts in their graphic of "Wikipedia's Most Contentious Entries", which includes the frequently edited [[Recent deaths]]. Unless of course they're referring to the edit wars over whether Derrida is really dead, based on a deconstruction of the concept of death. --Michael Snow

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Objecting to hatespeech is grounds for being banned? Huh?!
by Robert 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

A small group of hateful people banned me for no reason. In response, Fred Bauder made this incoherent personal attack: > But just today on [[Talk:Holocaust denial examined]] > you made the following edit: > ":::HistoryBuffEr, you are clearly makin anti-Semitic > and ad homenim attacks towards Jay, and you are pushing > a Nazi agenda. Your edits will be reverted. > [[User:RK|RK]] 17:58, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)" > Now, you may be right. I don't follow the edits in this > area, but still a personal attack. I would have banned > you long ago, but played no role in the arbitration > case. May I suggest you take what happened as a lesson > and learn from it and when you come back take a lighter > attitude and have some fun instead of the constant > uproar. I am shocked by Fred's lies and condoning of anti-Semitic personal attacks. HistoryBuffEr has repeatedly been filling Wikipedia with multiple ad homenim anti-Semitic attacks, all of which use anti-Semitic terminology straight from Jew-Watch, a Nazi website. In response, MANY Wikipedia users have condemned this person for his outrageous behaviour, and it now looks like he may be banned. Yet out of all the people who have been condemning his anti-Semitic attacks, Fred Bauder picks on me alone, and dishonestly pretends that I am somehow attacking people? Huh? As far as I can tell, Fred Bauder thinks that it is Ok to come onto Wikipedia, harasss people, revert pages, create flame wars, and use racist hatespeech. And no ban. But when multiple people object to such behaviour, Fred uses this as a reason to ban me? And then says that I should have "fun" with this kind of Jew-baiting? This is precisely the kind of anti-Jewish rhetoric that I was complaining about last year. No one on this list ever bans people for racist hatespeech, even when they admit to being a Nazi (like Mr. Natural Health), or even when they use Neo-Nazi JewWatch tactics, like HistoryBuffEr. Yet objecting to this gross abuse someone is grounds for a ban? Is obecting to wife-beating worse than beating one's wife? It is no wonder that Wikipedia is getting a bad rep, and this latest incident will only convince the world at large that Wikipedia doesn't work, and is controlled by hateful extremists. Fred's outrageous blame-the-Jew-victim mentality is an example of Wikipedia at its utter worst. Robert (RK) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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Having mediawiki fetch html and embed it in a page
by Brian Peyton 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

I've turned off page editing for anonymous people, and I have it setup so people can't create accounts. So it *should* (hopefully) be fine. >Brian Peyton stated for the record: >> I was wondering if it is possible, or with minimal modification to the >> code, to have mediawiki fetch some html and embed it in a page. > >/me boggles at the possiblities for truly horrific vandalism....

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Having mediawiki fetch html and embed it in a page
by Brian Peyton 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

I was wondering if it is possible, or with minimal modification to the code, to have mediawiki fetch some html and embed it in a page. I'd like to have some web page programs in a wiki webpage, however I don't want to disturb the look of the website. Is there a way to do this with a tag such as: Some wiki text {{embed: http://randomwebsite.com/program.cgi}} more wiki text now, or another easy way to do it?

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article on chinese myth-realm of dead
by nikoru sanzo 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Greetings! I was doing some research on Chinese mythology, namely on the realm of the spirits. The research is for a fanfiction I'm writing. Your article on Yan Luo was very helpful. In light of this, I would like to ask permission to cite your website as one of my sources. I would either include it as a footnote or part of the Author's Notes at the end of the story/chapters. Thank you for taking the time to read my message. I hope you would be able to reply soon. I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused you. sincerely, Nicole Calayan

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[Fwd: SubGenius / Subgenius]
by Tim Starling 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: SubGenius / Subgenius Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:10:26 -0700 From: SubGenius Networks <HardlyBoffin(a)gmail.com> Reply-To: SubGenius Networks <HardlyBoffin(a)gmail.com> To: abuse(a)wikipedia.org A user 'GRUNT' who seems to be able to ban users has banned me after correcting the aforementioned subjects, subject entry for SUBGENIUS. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Grunt "Despite his strong political views he strives to stay neutral in disputes and in material submitted to Wikipedia." I am a founder of SubGenius Networks™ SubGenius Networks is a trademark of SubGenius Networks.™ As grunt seems to have an issue with my correction; i left him the following message. "We're not defining 'SubGenius Networks' nor 'The Church of the SubGenius'. SUBGENIUS ALONE is the subject of this post and SUBGENIUS has a meaning apart from 'The Church of the SubGenius'. SUBGENIUS is a public domain word in use as part of 'SubGenius Networks™' own trademark." SUBGENIUS ALONE, as it is defined.. has two meanings. --------- BEGIN CORRECT DATA --------- 1. A denizen of the underground "subculture", attuned to the obscure.<br> 2. Basis of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Subgenius Church of the Subgenius]. SUBGENIUS is part of the trademark SubGenius Networks™ ( [http://www.subgenius.net subgenius.net]) in addition to the title of a "religion". ( [http://www.subgenius.com subgenius.com]). --------- END CORRECT DATA --------- SUBGENIUS itself is not a registered trademark. The term is in fact PUBLIC DOMAIN and was adopted by SubGenius Networks™ in 1996. A trademark application was filed in 2000 by the 'church of the subgenius' to which we are objecting on prior rights use to the single word. Wikipedia's redirect from SubGenius/Subgenius to 'the church of the subgenius' is in error.

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Britannica trashed, Wikipedia (and Encarta) noted as preferable
by Jens Ropers 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN. ALL YOUR ENCYCLOPEDIA ARE BELONG TO US. More Britannica-bashing (with a splash of Wikilove): http://macuser.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/64348 One interesting point: from the article: >> The search feature is functional but unintelligent: it won't correct >> 'apppendix', for example, or find anything at all if you ask it about >> the humble, misspelt 'bananana'. It will discretely warn you of your >> mistake by turning your search term red, but when sites such as >> Google can take a guess at what your poorly spelt words mean, we >> don't see why an encyclopaedia shouldn't be able to do the same. Of course we currently already create "misspellings" redirects (manually), but that's no substitute for a "fuzzy logic" implementation. This may take the form of an extra "Did you mean..."-box on the "WP does not yet have an article"-page. If such is considered useful, someone (<slacker>i.e. someone else ;-)</slacker>) could BugZillify this as a Feature Request. -- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com

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Wikipedia on Volokh Conspiracy
by Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2004_10_14.shtml#1098119066 I'll be blogging about this in the morning, but I did want to say that I think Orin Kerr is right about this particular entry, but wrong about how wikipedia works and the degree of commitment that the community has to getting it right. In particular, I think he's wrong about this part: >If I understand accurately how Wikipedia works -- a big 'if,' I should >point out -- my views of what is in the Patriot Act are no more and no >less valued by Wikipedia than the views of any other Internet user. About this, I very much think he's wrong. Certainly I am not aware of any serious support for this kind of wholesale intellectual relativism in any wikipedia discussions. Instead, there's always an underlying and thorough commitment to _getting it right_. I do wonder how, in the long run, we will deal more effectively with the kind of POV warrioring that leads to entries like this one... where politically motivated hysteria leads to blatant factual errors. --Jimbo

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Re: Hateful ban shows that Wikipedia is flawed almost beyond hope
by Sheldon Rampton 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Mark Richards wrote: >What about a system where a bunch of people get >together to troll such a system and vote down someone >elses contributions? After all, 'trolling' is entirely >subjective. It's partly subjective, but not *entirely* subjective. The same can be said about most POV/NPOV controversies. --Sheldon Rampton

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