WikiEN-l October 2004

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Caching issues
by JAY JG 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

>From: "csherlock(a)ljh.com.au" <csherlock(a)ljh.com.au> >Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> >To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org >Subject: [WikiEN-l] Caching issues >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:45:41 +1000 > >Hi all, > >I find that I'm updating articles and the changes are not always being >reflected straight away. Has anyone else been having this problem? > >TBSDY Yes, all the time. Also, I'll notice a page updated on my watchilist, but when I look for the changes they are not apparent. Going to the history and doing a compare usually reveals the differences, but it can take up to an hour for them to appear on the actual page, even when flushing my cache. And also I find I'm being regularly logged out many times during a session, sometimes within seconds of logging in. Jay.

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GWB Picture vandalism
by Allan Crossman 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

> On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush somehow the thumb of > GWB in National Guard gear has been replaced by a pic of Hitler. This seems to be some sort of caching problem - the pic was fixed and protected on the 18th, but strangely some people still seem to get the Hitler pic (though I see it's been de-linked from the article now...) -- Allan Crossman - a.crossman(a)blueyonder.co.uk The Moon is Waxing Crescent (41% of Full)

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Re: 11th Circuit Court of Appeals opinion references
by Mark Pellegrini 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

---Snip--- An added bonus is that the citing judge could tweak the Wikipedia entry prior to publishing his opinion so that the material more closely supports the logic of his decision. ;) ---/Snip---- It's always easy to present a good arguement when you can make up the facts to support it :) --Mark

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RE: [WikiEN-l] [jhyang@korea.net: Cooperation Request from the KoreanOverseas Information Service]
by Poor, Edmund W 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Jimbo, I thought we already settled this one: Wikipedia takes no position on whether the "East Sea of Korea" should OR should not be called "Sea of Japan". In fact, there's an article which details the history of the dispute, including the current South Korean campaign to make encyclopedias and mapmakers give preference to the "Sea of Korea" form. Our encyclopedia has the unique policy of being "neutral" rather than "objective". If someone wants to edit the image of the map in question and place East Sea or East Sea of Korea in parentheses, that's fine. Just to indicate that the term is disputed. But if this is an effort to make Wikipedia RECOGNIZE Ms. Yang's preference as taking official priority over the alternative, I think a polite refusal is in order. Ed Poor

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Britannica trashed, Wikipedia (and Encarta) noted as preferable
by ruimu uestc 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Ropers" <ropers(a)ropersonline.com> > > BugZillify this as a Feature Request. I also love playing with languages but I sometime feel like I'm not that welcomed to understand some of the writings in this list. I'm very sad to only be French (and to blindly use split infinitive :) but I wished I had enough boldness to ask writers to stay in certain limits of understandability (<-- I know this word is horrific, but it's easy to understand for most readers, isn't it ?) Note that this comment isn't directly adressed to Jens but to all the contributors. Wikipedia isn't only written by native geeks swimming everyday in their slangy localized bath, my dear friends ! (gbog)

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One men's valuable editor is another one's troll
by Arkadiusz Danilecki 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Hi there! I subscribed actually to discuss only one thing. From time to time i follow some discussions without taking part in it. But this time i just could stop myself for adding my point of view. There are discussion about how bad, bad people caused some valuable editor to leave (or wanting to leave) wikipedia. The problem is, that this "valuable" editor with contacts with me and some of my friends behaved quite often in vey unpleasant ways. He was unable to tolerate almost any Point of View except his own. He was unable to accept that someone could write something else because he has different PoV, not because he is troll or fanatic. He was unable to actually discuss many things. I know that he contributed a lot and sometimes was forcing more PoV-ish outlook in some articles, if sometimes unintentionally. However, it seems that some people are trying to paint him as some kind of saint. I am on wikipedia since end of 2001. I met a lot of people which I respected a lot more than him. People, who were able to discuss and argue. Which then left because of trolls. Heck, even I once left wikipedia for few months because i got frustrated because of trolls and because i stopped to add new articles but only watched over old ones. But, for God's sake, the men you are using as example of best valuable editor is the one which, amongst many others "valuable editors", inspired me to write (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_deal_with_Poles). He had his vices. And this all case is prime example that imposing MORE structures into wikipedia does not change anything. Before there were arbitrations, mediations, shmediations, etc there were trolls and people were leaving wikipedia. If you will include another level: "the editors" you probably would still get trolls, and valuable people instead of leaving, maybe won't stop coming to wikipedia. The solution would be to simply adding community voting mechanism for banning someone from certain article (but not from talk pages!) or to add mechanism for "pending changes", when every page change had to be voted until applied, or something similar. That would at least forced people in talking in talk pages instead of just reverting with remarks like "you are obsessed petty fanatical troll". A.D.Danilecki

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Spanish Translation of the Week
by Robin Shannon 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

The Spanish Translation of the Week [[wikipedia:Spanish_Translation_of_the_Week]] has been launched, with the aim of collaboratively translating feature article quality articles from the spanish wikipedia into the english wikipedia it is hoped that this effort will help spark more collaborative translation efforts.

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Canada and Massachusetts sites noticing wikibooks/versity
by Sj 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

It's nice to see people writing about more than the 'pedia. The North Adams Transcript covers WP, EvoWiki, and Wikibooks: http://www.thetranscript.com/Stories/0,1413,103~9054~2471955,00.html And does anyone know these Canadian IT Traning people? They apparently just started setting up a site, but half of their links are to Wikimedia projects... and they're obviously waiting for a wikiversity site to be set up (check their one "Press Release"). http://www.canadianittraining.com/Main.htm -- +sj+

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Re: Hateful ban shows that Wikipedia is flawed almost beyond hope
by Sheldon Rampton 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Anthere wrote: > Yes, this was a bizarre suggestion. Perhaps the next suggested remedy > will require financial donations in reparation, before restoring a > long-time user's editing privileges. Actually, the idea of requiring financial donations shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. A system of micropayments could conceivably function as a deterrent to trolls and vandals. Let's suppose, just hypothetically, that Wikipedia had a system whereby people who engage in trolling or make lots of controversial edits could be required to pay the Wikimedia Foundation 5 cents for every edit they make. (Maybe there could even be a cash *incentive* so that people who have earned a reputation for good editing would *earn* small amounts of money for their edits.) This is just a rudimentary sketch of how something like this might be implemented. To make it work, there would have to be a significantly different system of user IDs than currently exists, and someone would have to work out a way of preventing people from gaming the system. Just a thought. --Sheldon Rampton

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[crromero@telmex.com: Wikipedia]
by Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Our article is apparently a stub. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Helu I'm not sure how much the attached hagiography helps, but still, perhaps the article could be improved? ----- Forwarded message from Rivera Romero Concepción <crromero(a)telmex.com> ----- From: Rivera Romero Concepción <crromero(a)telmex.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:40:27 -0500 To: jwales(a)wikia.com Subject: Wikipedia Mr. Wales: Unfortunately the text that is published in your web page about Mr. Carlos Slim Helú is way out of reality, please be so kind to take into consideration the information that we are attaching so you can clear and put in order the veridic biography of our Group President. Concepción Rivera TELMEX CARLOS SLIM HELÚ Carlos Slim Helú astonishes people because of his administrative and visionary capacity, which translates, into his extraordinary talent to develop companies, generate jobs and contribute to Mexico's economic promotion. Carlos Slim Helú is a master in business, has a mathematical mind, is world renown not only because of his extensive and successful entrepreneurial career, but also because of his profound social vocation. Carlos Slim Helú was born on January 28, 1940 in Mexico City, is an engineer by profession, graduated from the Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) (National Autonomous University of México) in 1961, where before graduating he taught Algebra and Linear Programming. He has given lectures in public and private institutions, and also in international bodies such as the Economic Commission for Latin America (ECLA). He has been vice-president of the Mexican Stock Exchange and President of the Mexican Association of Brokerage Houses. He was the first President of the Latin-American Committee of the New York Stock Exchange Administration Council, and was in office from 1996 through 1998. He is a director at the Board of Directors of Philip Morris Companies and Alcatel, as well as for SBC Communications, Inc., position from which he retired in July 2004 to devote more time to the Latin American Development Fund, focusing on infrastructure, health and education, amongst the most relevant work. Financial analysts agree in rating Carlos Slim Helú as a man that is distinguished for defining and knowing the fundamental issues of each company; its problems and its potential In 1965, he started to set the basis for Grupo Carso when he was only 25 years old. He incorporated Inmobiliaria Carso in January 1966, only three months before marrying Soumaya Domit Gemayel. The Carso name is the combination of the first three letters in Carlos and the two first letters in Soumaya. A year earlier, in 1965, ha had founded Inversora Bursátil, and headed the Board of Administration from that year onward. Carlos Slim Helú started to dazzle people for his administrative capacity and his ingeniousness in business, and above all because he participated in many different sectors. Little by little, he built one of the most important financial-industrial empires in Mexico: Grupo Carso. His management style is very practical. For example there is no corporate "staff" at Grupo Carso. Each company has its own structure because the idea is that their organization becomes more efficient, and only meets with the directors or executives to discuss the most transcendental issues. Carlos Slim Helú has received very important acknowledgements: He has been awarded the Entrepreneurial Merit Medal of Honor from Mexico's Chamber of Commerce; he received the "Golden Plate Award", granted by the American Academy of Achievement and the Government of Belgium awarded him the Leopold II Commander Medal. Currently, several companies form Grupo Carso, and all of them represent a "gigantic holding" that is divided in five major standalone companies: · Carso Global Telecom owns the majority of the TELMEX's control stock, which operates in Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Chile and Perú, asides from México,. · América Telecom has the majority of America Móvil control stock, and is the leading supplier of wireless services in Latin America, with operations in Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, El Salvador, United States, Guatemala, Nicaragua and México. In the latter it works under the Telcel brand. · Grupo Carso controls Carso Industrial (Condumex, Porcelanite, Nacobre and Cigatam, amongst other) and Carso Comercial (Sears, Sanborns, Promotora Musical and El Globo). · Grupo Financiero Inbursa, is formed by Banco Inbursa, Seguros Inbursa, Casa de Bolsa Inversora Bursátil, Arrendadora Inbursa, Fianzas La Guardiana and Afore Inbursa, amongst other companies. · US Commercial Corp., holding company of CompUSA. It has taken Carlos Slim Helú 38 years of his live to create Grupo Carso, of which he is now the Honorary Lifetime Chairman. He also holds this position in TELMEX, América Móvil and Grupo Financiero Inbursa. At 64 years old he is still on top of his companies, although his three sons Carlos, Marco Antonio and Patrick Slim Domit head them. Carlos Slim Helú has also become a symbol of altruist and humanistic labor, and is outstanding because of his permanent support to social charity work through the TELMEX Foundation, incorporated in December, 1995, that reinforced and expanded the programs and activities that had been carried out by Asociación Carso A.C., incorporated in 1984. Due to its achievements and the amount of population benefited, TELMEX Foundation is the largest organization of its kind in Latin America. In the year 2000, Carlos Slim Helú organized the Fundación del Centro Histórico de la Ciudad de México A.C. (Mexico City Historic Downtown Foundation), which objective is to revitalize and rescue Mexico´s City historic downtown, for more people to live, work and find entertainment in this area. He is Chairman of the Executive Committee for the Restoration of the Historic Center since the year 2001. Additionally, as part of his philathropic work, he heads the Latin America Development Fund project. People who know him, know that for Carlos Slim Helú "Success does not lie in doing things well or very well and be acknowledge by others. It is not an external opinion; it is an internal state; it is the harmony of soul and his emotions that need love, family, friendship, authenticity, and integrity. Work well done is not only a responsibility he has with himself and with society, it is also an emotional need". Besides being a nationalist and visionary businessman, Carlos Slim Helú is a lover of history, culture, and an Art Connoisseur and collector, a baseball fan, but above all, he is a simple and human man, for whom family is the irreplaceable essence of love, teaching of values and success. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "La nÃ¨fle est un fruit." - first words of 50,000th article on fr.wikipedia.org

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