On 31 Aug 2003 at 21:16, wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org wrote:
I've fixed the Penis page by undeletion and moving...
To undelete in Explorer, first bookmark this address:
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Undelete&target=PAGE...
Now, whenever you need to undelete, just go to that page (nothing bad happens if you actually load it), change "PAGENAME" in the URL to the name of the page, e.g. User:Scarequotes, and there you go.
Don't try using the Deletion log to get there, it takes forever to load, usually.
Evercat
Thank you, Evercat. THIS was useful. And not mean-spirited.
RickK
Allan Crossman a.crossman@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On 31 Aug 2003 at 21:16, wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org wrote:
I've fixed the Penis page by undeletion and moving...
To undelete in Explorer, first bookmark this address:
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Undelete&target=PAGE...
Now, whenever you need to undelete, just go to that page (nothing bad happens if you actually load it), change "PAGENAME" in the URL to the name of the page, e.g. User:Scarequotes, and there you go.
Don't try using the Deletion log to get there, it takes forever to load, usually.
Evercat
I've added a more convenient link into the undeletion system, which will show in bold at the top of the page when viewing a page which has been deleted (if you're a sysop).
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion-
I've added a more convenient link into the undeletion system, which will show in bold at the top of the page when viewing a page which has been deleted (if you're a sysop).
I'm not sure what the point of this is. Now I get lots of annoying messages on pages that have at some point been created as an experiment and later been re-created as a real page. In virtually all of these cases I don't want to restore the deleted revisions. The very few cases in which there might be something useful accidentally deleted do not IMHO justify enabling this for all 100+ sysops and not making it configurable. Can we disable this by default and make it a preference? Otherwise people will probably start restoring junk revisions just to get rid of the messages.
This is particularly problematic since the deleted revisions info looks just like the "new messages" info and is in the same place. I know the intent is to standardize style, but it reduces usability, as it makes the much less common but more important talk page notification easier to miss.
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Brion-
I've added a more convenient link into the undeletion system, which will show in bold at the top of the page when viewing a page which has been deleted (if you're a sysop).
I'm not sure what the point of this is.
To make it actually possible for human beings to get into the undeletion system?
Naw, screw humans. They just make trouble for the machine collective! :)
Now I get lots of annoying messages on pages that have at some point been created as an experiment and later been re-created as a real page.
So far one compliment vs one complaint. About usual. :)
If we had a decent deletion log table, it would be a trivial matter to only display the bold notice for recently deleted pages, and for the rest just have a boring note down at the bottom and/or an "Undelete" link in the sidebar.
We don't yet have a deletion/sysop event log table. If you'd like to whip one up before I get to it, it would happen sooner rather than later.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
At 06:11 PM 8/31/2003, you wrote:
We don't yet have a deletion/sysop event log table. If you'd like to whip one up before I get to it, it would happen sooner rather than later.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
C'mon, Brion, you slacker! Get to it! What the heck are we paying you for, anyway? ;)
I would suggest an auto-expiration of IP blocks at one week. This will most likely be long enough to discourage people from repeat vandalism without unduly affecting those poor souls who share dynamic IPs with vandals.
On another note, could someone (sorry Brion) please make it easier to IP block? Unless I'm missing something obvious, as it stands right now I have to muck through the Recent Changes until I find an edit by a given IP before I can block them. It would be extraordinarily useful to have a Special:Block_this_IP page where one could manually enter in an IP to have it blocked. At the very least, an option to block could be a link on an IP-users contribution page or something.
----- Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of great moral crisis." -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321
Dante Alighieri wrote:
On another note, could someone (sorry Brion) please make it easier to IP block? Unless I'm missing something obvious, as it stands right now I have to muck through the Recent Changes until I find an edit by a given IP before I can block them. It would be extraordinarily useful to have a Special:Block_this_IP page where one could manually enter in an IP to have it blocked.
We got that: [[Special:Blockip]]
Yay! I don't have to do any work. :)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
I disagree -- the easier we make it to block someone, the shorter the time ought be. Keeping a block valid even for a day is in most cases more than good enough.
-S-
--- Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com wrote:
At 06:11 PM 8/31/2003, you wrote:
We don't yet have a deletion/sysop event log table.
If you'd like to whip
one up before I get to it, it would happen sooner
rather than later.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
C'mon, Brion, you slacker! Get to it! What the heck are we paying you for, anyway? ;)
I would suggest an auto-expiration of IP blocks at one week. This will most likely be long enough to discourage people from repeat vandalism without unduly affecting those poor souls who share dynamic IPs with vandals.
On another note, could someone (sorry Brion) please make it easier to IP block? Unless I'm missing something obvious, as it stands right now I have to muck through the Recent Changes until I find an edit by a given IP before I can block them. It would be extraordinarily useful to have a Special:Block_this_IP page where one could manually enter in an IP to have it blocked. At the very least, an option to block could be a link on an IP-users contribution page or something.
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Quoting Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com:
At 06:11 PM 8/31/2003, you wrote:
We don't yet have a deletion/sysop event log table. If you'd like to whip one up before I get to it, it would happen sooner rather than later.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
C'mon, Brion, you slacker! Get to it! What the heck are we paying you for, anyway? ;)
I would suggest an auto-expiration of IP blocks at one week. This will most likely be long enough to discourage people from repeat vandalism without unduly affecting those poor souls who share dynamic IPs with vandals.
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I would suggest auto expiration of any and all kinds of blocks, after a randomized timeperiod, weighted toward a short block and having an absolute but most guarded and encrypted secret top length. The legitimate users would thus experience it as a temporary glitch. The vandal who knows that the block is a result of his activities, would be kept guessing though. Somehow I felt a dej� lu just right now. Did I already suggest this earlier?
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Brion Vibber wrote:
Brion-
I've added a more convenient link into the undeletion system, which will show in bold at the top of the page when viewing a page which has been deleted (if you're a sysop).
So far one compliment vs one complaint. About usual. :)
Another compliment for you, then: I hereby nominate it for Most Useful New Feature of the Year 2003. :)
I'd previously undeleted things either by going to the big long list of deleted things, which took ages to load, or by cobbling the right URL together manually, which was slightly annoying. So I think that the new feature is very useful.
However, I see Erik's point about it being too prominent (I think that's what he meant by "annoying" ;). Would just making it not bold any more be a satisfactory compromise?
Oliver
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Brion-
To make it actually possible for human beings to get into the undeletion system?
Many months ago I made myself a little custom keyword for undeleting pages: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html When I want to do so, I just type "und page_name". While this is a hack and you are correct that a proper action log table and a redesigned undeletion interface would be preferable, I do not see the information that deleted revisions exist as so useful as to have it on all pages, primarily because there's simply a fairly large number of pages which have been experimentally created at one point, deleted, and recreated.
How about displaying it in the top bar only for non-existing pages, and otherwise displaying it only on "Page history"? This should also reduce the number of checks in the ARCHIVE table needed.
Regards,
Erik
From: Erik Moeller I do not see the information that deleted revisions exist as so useful as to have it on all pages, primarily because there's simply a fairly large number of pages which
have
been experimentally created at one point, deleted, and recreated.
How about displaying it in the top bar only for non-existing pages,
and
otherwise displaying it only on "Page history"? This should also
reduce
the number of checks in the ARCHIVE table needed.
That's a good idea.
The Cunctator wrote:
From: Erik Moeller I do not see the information that deleted revisions exist as so useful as to have it on all pages, primarily because there's simply a fairly large number of pages which have been experimentally created at one point, deleted, and recreated. How about displaying it in the top bar only for non-existing pages, and otherwise displaying it only on "Page history"? This should also reduce the number of checks in the ARCHIVE table needed.
That's a good idea.
Done, checked in, and installed.
Well, that was fun! We get a lot more feedback when we just install stuff on the live server like this. ;)
(Disclaimer: not recommended except for bug fixes and 'emergency features' that everyone's bitching about the lack of and require only very small code changes.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com):
Well, that was fun! We get a lot more feedback when
we just install stuff on the live server like this. ;)
(Disclaimer: not recommended except for bug fixes and 'emergency features' that everyone's bitching about the lack of and require only very small code changes.)
Just do it. Everybody trusts your hacks more than they do most other people's tedious and contrived projects anyway.
-S-
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Erik Moeller wrote:
Many months ago I made myself a little custom keyword for undeleting pages: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html When I want to do so, I just type "und page_name". While this is a hack and you are correct that a proper action log table and a redesigned undeletion interface would be preferable, I do not see the information that deleted revisions exist as so useful as to have it on all pages, primarily because there's simply a fairly large number of pages which have been experimentally created at one point, deleted, and recreated.
I've decided that I like having this, including for the recreated pages. It can still be a configurable option; no reason for us not to both be happy.
How about displaying it in the top bar only for non-existing pages, and otherwise displaying it only on "Page history"? This should also reduce the number of checks in the ARCHIVE table needed.
(This would also be just fine with me.)
-- Toby