I've noticed that a number of EN Wikipedia articles are starting to use wikidata e.g. all of these templates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Templates_using_data_from_Wikidata
This is great, and I have already started trying to encourage more of this in the areas we are working on (genes, drugs, diseases). But concerns raised more than 2 years ago now still seem very valid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikidata/Workflow
I'm particularly concerned about the edit button. When a Wikipedia user hits edit on an article built using wikidata content, how are they supposed to edit the wikidata content? Obviously the well-informed can sort out which wikidata item is relevant and which properties are being used and go to edit at wikidata.. but this can't be the solution.
What is the status of this issue ?
thanks very much -Ben
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Benjamin Good ben.mcgee.good@gmail.com wrote:
I've noticed that a number of EN Wikipedia articles are starting to use wikidata e.g. all of these templates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Templates_using_data_from_Wikidata
This is great, and I have already started trying to encourage more of this in the areas we are working on (genes, drugs, diseases). But concerns raised more than 2 years ago now still seem very valid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikidata/Workflow
I'm particularly concerned about the edit button. When a Wikipedia user hits edit on an article built using wikidata content, how are they
supposed
to edit the wikidata content? Obviously the well-informed can sort out which wikidata item is relevant and which properties are being used and go to edit at wikidata.. but this can't be the solution.
What is the status of this issue ?
We'll have a student starting next month researching the topic. She'll write her bachelor thesis on it. You can track it at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103092
Cheers Lydia
Benjamin Good, 22/07/2015 23:15:
I'm particularly concerned about the edit button. When a Wikipedia user hits edit on an article built using wikidata content, how are they supposed to edit the wikidata content?
On the "consuming" templates, you can add an edit button as the Russian and Spanish Wikipedias do in various ways. See for instance: * https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Buscar/%22editar_datos_en_Wikidata%22 * https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-useWD.js * other approaches to study at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11985372
Nemo
On 23.07.2015 01:06, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Benjamin Good, 22/07/2015 23:15:
I'm particularly concerned about the edit button. When a Wikipedia user hits edit on an article built using wikidata content, how are they supposed to edit the wikidata content?
On the "consuming" templates, you can add an edit button as the Russian and Spanish Wikipedias do in various ways. See for instance:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Buscar/%22editar_datos_en_Wikidata%22
- https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-useWD.js
- other approaches to study at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11985372
One point to consider is that editing existing statement values is very often not what you want. For example, if the mayor of a town changes, one should create a new statement for the new mayor with a correct start date (and reference), update the old mayorship to have an end date, modify the ranks so that the new current mayor is preferred now, and possibly even update the references for the old mayor (because references that confirmed the old claim may only talk about the start of the mayorship, not about the end). On the other hand, if new results change the expected age of the universe, this does not mean that the old value should get an "end date" and be kept as a "normal rank" value; in this case the value should really be changed, but the references will also need to be changed.
I could imagine a kind of Javascript "statement update wizard" that makes such typical update workflows very easy for users. But the first step to making this feasible will be to understand which properties in Wikidata should be updated in which ways.
Markus
Markus Krötzsch, 23/07/2015 12:02:
But the first step to making this feasible will be to understand which properties in Wikidata should be updated in which ways.
For now it seems the most common approach is to provide a direct link to the existing statements, next to where they are used by the template. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Russian_Wikipedia_statement... A template also has knowledge of what properties it's looking for, so it can produce a link as placeholder where the statement is missing as well.
Nemo
On 2015-07-23 13:20, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Markus Krötzsch, 23/07/2015 12:02:
But the first step to making this feasible will be to understand which properties in Wikidata should be updated in which ways.
For now it seems the most common approach is to provide a direct link to the existing statements, next to where they are used by the template. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_Russian_Wikipedia_statement... A template also has knowledge of what properties it's looking for, so it can produce a link as placeholder where the statement is missing as well.
Nemo
And we indeed already had Russian Wikipedia users claiming that since they use Wikidata in their templates and they are not willing to amend templates, we should amend Wikidata and add whatever redundant statements they need for the templates.
Cheers Yaroslav