Hi All,
TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon (Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
Background: In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
Best,
Jon WMF Reading Product Lead
What was the involvement of the Discovery team, which runs innovation around our search systems, in this decision?
On 28 October 2015 at 22:50, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi All,
TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon (Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
Background: In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
Best,
Jon WMF Reading Product Lead _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Hi Oliver, Thanks for bringing this up--this is something the reading and discovery teams can discuss off-list, I think. Best, J
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
What was the involvement of the Discovery team, which runs innovation around our search systems, in this decision?
On 28 October 2015 at 22:50, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi All,
TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow
afternoon
(Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
Background: In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search
(fewer
searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in
beta
for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work
towards a
goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any
issues
or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
Best,
Jon WMF Reading Product Lead _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
-- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation
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this is something the reading and discovery teams can discuss off-list, I think.
What brings you to think this? :)
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Hi Oliver, Thanks for bringing this up--this is something the reading and discovery teams can discuss off-list, I think. Best, J
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote:> What was the involvement of the Discovery team, which runs innovation> around our search systems, in this decision?>> On 28 October 2015 at 22:50, Jon Katz <jkatz@wikimedia.org> wrote:>> Hi All,>>>> TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article>> titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow> afternoon>> (Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so>> that this feature can be turned off if necessary.>>>> Background:>> In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official>> apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as>> the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search> (fewer>> searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search>> on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in> beta>> for many months as there was so me concern that at scale on the web, it>> might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors>> would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).>>>> Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be>> editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are>> going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on>> apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work> towards a>> goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear>> that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we>> decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we>> had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.>>>> We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any> issues>> or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison>> team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!>>>> Best,>>>> Jon>> WMF Reading Product Lead>> _______________________________________________>> Wikitech-l mailing list>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l%3E%3E%3E%3E --> Oliver Keyes> Count Logula> Wikimedia Foundation>> _______________________________________________> Wikitech-l mailing list> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Hoi,
It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you provide may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much second class quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in any language. But given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that second class quality has been chosen.
This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation that what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is apparently the only show in town. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi All,
TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon (Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
Background: In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
Best,
Jon WMF Reading Product Lead
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
My feeling is that, even in English, automatically generated descriptions, based on properties, are better than description field. For other languages this is even more true.
This decision is English-centric and that is a shame.
Joe
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:48 AM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you provide may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much second class quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in any language. But given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that second class quality has been chosen.
This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation that what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is apparently the only show in town. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi All,
TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon (Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
Background: In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
Best,
Jon WMF Reading Product Lead
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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I would agree with Joe Filceolaire on this.
Compare the results of a search for "John Arbuthnot" on Wikidata:
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=&search=John+Arbuthnot&t...
against the search for "John Arbuthnot" on Reasonator: https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/test/?find=john+arbuthnot
For searching Wikidata, I overwhelmingly prefer to use the Reasonator search, which includes automatically generated descriptions alongside the description field (and things like birth and death dates), because (even in English) it is so much more informative.
-- James.
On 29/10/2015 06:06, Joe Filceolaire wrote:
My feeling is that, even in English, automatically generated descriptions, based on properties, are better than description field. For other languages this is even more true.
This decision is English-centric and that is a shame.
Joe
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:48 AM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you provide may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much second class quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in any language. But given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that second class quality has been chosen.
This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation that what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is apparently the only show in town. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi All,
TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon (Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
Background: In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
Best,
Jon WMF Reading Product Lead
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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Hoi, Several Wikipedias have Wikidata Search enabled for their results, this is the same search as used in Reasonator.. Its results include everything from Wikidata and they include automated descriptions. Search like this help a lot with disambiguation. Just add a vital characteristic and you will know that John Doe was from 2012. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 October 2015 at 09:02, James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
I would agree with Joe Filceolaire on this.
Compare the results of a search for "John Arbuthnot" on Wikidata:
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=&search=John+Arbuthnot&t...
against the search for "John Arbuthnot" on Reasonator: https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/test/?find=john+arbuthnot
For searching Wikidata, I overwhelmingly prefer to use the Reasonator search, which includes automatically generated descriptions alongside the description field (and things like birth and death dates), because (even in English) it is so much more informative.
-- James.
On 29/10/2015 06:06, Joe Filceolaire wrote:
My feeling is that, even in English, automatically generated descriptions, based on properties, are better than description field. For other languages this is even more true.
This decision is English-centric and that is a shame.
Joe
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:48 AM Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi,
It is an old argument. It is however very potent. The data that you provide may be additional and an improvement but it is still very much second class quality. Automated descriptions are typically superior in any language. But given the dominance of Wikipedia think it is no wonder that second class quality has been chosen.
This is no argument to use the kill switch, it is just the realisation that what is best and brightest elsewhere is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is apparently the only show in town. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 October 2015 at 03:50, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi All,
TLDR: on the mobile web, Wikidata descriptions will appear under article titles in search results, nearby and watchlist starting tomorrow afternoon (Thu, Oct 29) across projects. A 'kill switch' has been implemented so that this feature can be turned off if necessary.
Background: In Q2 of last year, Wikidata descriptions were added to both our official apps: iOS and Android and resulted in wonderful qualitative feedback (as the discovery team knows, it is hard to define 'success' with search (fewer searches, more searches?). Though moving Wikidata descriptions to search on mobile web was planned for Q3 of last year, it has been sitting in beta for many months as there was some concern that at scale on the web, it might prove to be an incentive to vandalize Wikidata (and article editors would not have an obvious, wikipedia way to undo such edits).
Ultimately, we think that anything showing up on Wikipedia should be editable ON Wikipedia. Wikidata description editing is something we are going to aim for. Given the success of descriptions in search results on apps, we would rather move forward with the presentation and work towards a goal of editing in-line than to hold up the entire thing based on a fear that might not be warranted. In consultation with the Wikidata team, we decided to move forward with pushing the feature to stable as long as we had the ability to pull the feature back if there were any issues.
We are relying on community feedback to let us know if you have any issues or hear from anyone that this is causing problems. Our community liaison team will be posting notices on village pumps shortly. Thanks!
Best,
Jon WMF Reading Product Lead
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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