I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event, which I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly including by blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree? Thanks, Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) null
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Il gio 30 ago 2018, 16:43 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com ha scritto:
I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event, which I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly including by blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree?
Thanks,
Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
2018-08-30 16:43 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event, which I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly including by blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree?
I didn't want to be the first to raise what I wasn't sure to be an issue, but I feel the same.
Best regards,
Are you talking about the email I sent to register for the Force11 conference?
Violeta
On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Jérémie Roquet jroquet@arkanosis.net wrote:
2018-08-30 16:43 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event,
which
I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly
including by
blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree?
I didn't want to be the first to raise what I wasn't sure to be an issue, but I feel the same.
Best regards,
-- Jérémie
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Hello all,
Lydia and I, as moderators of this list, are filtering the announcements about conferences, keeping only the ones that have a link to Wikidata or could interest the broad community. The criteria of having to pay for the conference or not is not taken in account. In that case, the conference includes open data in its topic, and some members of the Wikicite group have been there in the past, that's why we thought it would be interesting for the Wikidata community.
However, we don't tolerate spam, multiple-reminders for the same event, and we try to reduce the noise as much as possible for the ~1200 subscribers of this mailing-list.
Thanks for your understanding, Léa
On 30 August 2018 at 18:57, Violeta Ilik ilik.violeta@gmail.com wrote:
Are you talking about the email I sent to register for the Force11 conference?
Violeta
On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Jérémie Roquet jroquet@arkanosis.net wrote:
2018-08-30 16:43 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event,
which
I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly
including by
blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree?
I didn't want to be the first to raise what I wasn't sure to be an issue, but I feel the same.
Best regards,
-- Jérémie
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Thank you for addressing this issue. Yes, members of the wikidata community have participated in Force11 events in the past and also this year: http://sched.co/F7u7 Members of the Force11 actually visited the Wikidata headquarters last year in Berlin when our 2017 conference was held there. See that program for reference: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DH8FfDOGOqzYpCjVJK4aZcVq0vk4d-77fx7M...
A friendly suggestion: please look up the event, in this case Force11 [ https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2018], before sending emails that contain suggestions to blacklist people.
Violeta
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Léa Lacroix lea.lacroix@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hello all,
Lydia and I, as moderators of this list, are filtering the announcements about conferences, keeping only the ones that have a link to Wikidata or could interest the broad community. The criteria of having to pay for the conference or not is not taken in account. In that case, the conference includes open data in its topic, and some members of the Wikicite group have been there in the past, that's why we thought it would be interesting for the Wikidata community.
However, we don't tolerate spam, multiple-reminders for the same event, and we try to reduce the noise as much as possible for the ~1200 subscribers of this mailing-list.
Thanks for your understanding, Léa
On 30 August 2018 at 18:57, Violeta Ilik ilik.violeta@gmail.com wrote:
Are you talking about the email I sent to register for the Force11 conference?
Violeta
On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Jérémie Roquet jroquet@arkanosis.net wrote:
2018-08-30 16:43 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event,
which
I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly
including by
blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree?
I didn't want to be the first to raise what I wasn't sure to be an issue, but I feel the same.
Best regards,
-- Jérémie
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
-- Léa Lacroix Project Manager Community Communication for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Hi Violeta,
I just wanted to add that, although I agree with your friendly suggestion, I have one of my own:
Your email advertising the conference does not reference Wikidata, Mediawiki or Wikimedia at any point.
I understand that If you're posting this email to many places, it takes time to customize it for every community, but at the same time I can also understand how it is perceived as advertisement because it is not clear at all what the connection to the people on the mailing list is and why this could be interesting to them.
So my suggestion is to have the generic body of the email stay the same, and have an introductory paragraph at the start of the email that is fitted to the people you're addressing on each list. It could include past participation of the community or point out relevant talks in the current program and point out in what other ways the conference could be interesting to the people reading the email (networking, meetups, work groups etc).
I hope this helps avoid future misunderstandings.
All the best for your conference - Charlie
Am Di., 4. Sep. 2018 um 14:30 Uhr schrieb Violeta Ilik < ilik.violeta@gmail.com>:
Thank you for addressing this issue. Yes, members of the wikidata community have participated in Force11 events in the past and also this year: http://sched.co/F7u7 Members of the Force11 actually visited the Wikidata headquarters last year in Berlin when our 2017 conference was held there. See that program for reference:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DH8FfDOGOqzYpCjVJK4aZcVq0vk4d-77fx7M...
A friendly suggestion: please look up the event, in this case Force11 [ https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2018], before sending emails that contain suggestions to blacklist people.
Violeta
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Léa Lacroix lea.lacroix@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hello all,
Lydia and I, as moderators of this list, are filtering the announcements about conferences, keeping only the ones that have a link to Wikidata or could interest the broad community. The criteria of having to pay for the conference or not is not taken in account. In that case, the conference includes open data in its topic, and some members of the Wikicite group have been there in the past, that's why we thought it would be interesting for the Wikidata community.
However, we don't tolerate spam, multiple-reminders for the same event, and we try to reduce the noise as much as possible for the ~1200 subscribers of this mailing-list.
Thanks for your understanding, Léa
On 30 August 2018 at 18:57, Violeta Ilik ilik.violeta@gmail.com wrote:
Are you talking about the email I sent to register for the Force11 conference?
Violeta
On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Jérémie Roquet jroquet@arkanosis.net wrote:
2018-08-30 16:43 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here.
This
email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an
event, which
I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly
including by
blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree?
I didn't want to be the first to raise what I wasn't sure to be an issue, but I feel the same.
Best regards,
-- Jérémie
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
-- Léa Lacroix Project Manager Community Communication for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Hi Violeta,
Thanks for the information and sorry for my previous email which wasn't very sensitive.
May I suggest that in the future, you send the program in the very first email? There's definitely a chance I get interested in an event if the program looks great, and I assume that's true for some other people on that list too. On the contrary, discounts right from the mail subject and links to click are 100% certain to raise eyebrows. I've re-read the initial email in that thread, and I'd for sure have the same initial reaction I've had the first time I've read it, because it says absolutely nothing about Wikidata and its content is very abstract.
Léa, thanks a lot for the explanations and the upstream work to filter incoming emails. That might be too early to discuss this topic given the low volume of such threads, but maybe at some point should we have different mailing lists for events and for Wikidata itself. I'm personally very interested in reading your weekly summaries and in-depth discussions about Wikidata, but I'm not interested at all in conferences and I've already had to unsubscribe from a bunch of mailing lists (including wiki-research-l) only because of the volume of call for papers and other registration deadlines.
Thanks and best regards,
Il giorno mar 4 set 2018 alle ore 15:08 Jérémie Roquet jroquet@arkanosis.net ha scritto:
Hi Violeta,
Thanks for the information and sorry for my previous email which wasn't very sensitive.
This applies also to me.
May I suggest that in the future, you send the program in the very first email? There's definitely a chance I get interested in an event if the program looks great, and I assume that's true for some other people on that list too.
This, or a brief note about why the programme should be of interest to us, i.e. saying "there will be a day/session/whatever dedicated to Wikidata" - even though I know that sometimes it's easier to do a single mail, instead of several personalised e-mail.
Cheers,
I am a bit late on this, but FORCE2018 has two Wikidata people speaking (as Violeta's link shows): Dario Taraborelli and Daniel Mietchen, see also Scholia's profile: https://tools.wmflabs.org/scholia/event/Q56579271
I have never attended the conference, but I suppose it is most relevant to people in research and research supporting roles such as research librarians, - like WikiCite people.
/Finn
On 09/04/2018 02:28 PM, Violeta Ilik wrote:
Thank you for addressing this issue. Yes, members of the wikidata community have participated in Force11 events in the past and also this year: http://sched.co/F7u7 Members of the Force11 actually visited the Wikidata headquarters last year in Berlin when our 2017 conference was held there. See that program for reference: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DH8FfDOGOqzYpCjVJK4aZcVq0vk4d-77fx7M...
A friendly suggestion: please look up the event, in this case Force11 [https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2018], before sending emails that contain suggestions to blacklist people.
Violeta
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Léa Lacroix <lea.lacroix@wikimedia.de mailto:lea.lacroix@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hello all, Lydia and I, as moderators of this list, are filtering the announcements about conferences, keeping only the ones that have a link to Wikidata or could interest the broad community. The criteria of having to pay for the conference or not is not taken in account. In that case, the conference includes open data in its topic, and some members of the Wikicite group have been there in the past, that's why we thought it would be interesting for the Wikidata community. However, we don't tolerate spam, multiple-reminders for the same event, and we try to reduce the noise as much as possible for the ~1200 subscribers of this mailing-list. Thanks for your understanding, Léa On 30 August 2018 at 18:57, Violeta Ilik <ilik.violeta@gmail.com <mailto:ilik.violeta@gmail.com>> wrote: Are you talking about the email I sent to register for the Force11 conference? Violeta On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Jérémie Roquet <jroquet@arkanosis.net <mailto:jroquet@arkanosis.net>> wrote: 2018-08-30 16:43 GMT+02:00 Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com <mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com>>: > I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This > email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event, which > I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly including by > blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree? I didn't want to be the first to raise what I wasn't sure to be an issue, but I feel the same. Best regards, -- Jérémie _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata> _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata> -- Léa Lacroix Project Manager Community Communication for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de <http://www.wikimedia.de> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata>
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Yes, I was at FORCE11 last year in Berlin and they are like-minded folks furthering open scholarship.
-Andrew
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 5:27 PM fn@imm.dtu.dk wrote:
I am a bit late on this, but FORCE2018 has two Wikidata people speaking (as Violeta's link shows): Dario Taraborelli and Daniel Mietchen, see also Scholia's profile: https://tools.wmflabs.org/scholia/event/Q56579271
I have never attended the conference, but I suppose it is most relevant to people in research and research supporting roles such as research librarians, - like WikiCite people.
/Finn
On 09/04/2018 02:28 PM, Violeta Ilik wrote:
Thank you for addressing this issue. Yes, members of the wikidata community have participated in Force11 events in the past and also this year: http://sched.co/F7u7 Members of the Force11 actually visited the Wikidata headquarters last year in Berlin when our 2017 conference was held there. See that program for reference:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DH8FfDOGOqzYpCjVJK4aZcVq0vk4d-77fx7M...
A friendly suggestion: please look up the event, in this case Force11 [https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2018], before sending emails
that
contain suggestions to blacklist people.
Violeta
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Léa Lacroix <lea.lacroix@wikimedia.de mailto:lea.lacroix@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hello all, Lydia and I, as moderators of this list, are filtering the announcements about conferences, keeping only the ones that have a link to Wikidata or could interest the broad community. The criteria of having to pay for the conference or not is not taken in account. In that case, the conference includes open data in its topic, and some members of the Wikicite group have been there in the past, that's why we thought it would be interesting for the Wikidata community. However, we don't tolerate spam, multiple-reminders for the same event, and we try to reduce the noise as much as possible for the ~1200 subscribers of this mailing-list. Thanks for your understanding, Léa On 30 August 2018 at 18:57, Violeta Ilik <ilik.violeta@gmail.com <mailto:ilik.violeta@gmail.com>> wrote: Are you talking about the email I sent to register for the Force11 conference? Violeta On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Jérémie Roquet <jroquet@arkanosis.net <mailto:jroquet@arkanosis.net>> wrote: 2018-08-30 16:43 GMT+02:00 Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com <mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com>>: > I'm going to ask the opinion of the Wikidata list moderators here. This > email appears to be a soloicitation to pay for attendance to an event, which > I would consider to be a junk email and would treat accordingly including by > blacklisting the sender. Do the Wikidata list moderators agree? I didn't want to be the first to raise what I wasn't sure to be an issue, but I feel the same. Best regards, -- Jérémie _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata> _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org>
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