Heya :)
We reworked the storyboard we published a while ago for how we think linking between Wikipedia articles should work. They can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Storyboard_for_linking_W... Please have a look and give feedback. Also spread the word to others who are not on this list if you don't mind.
Cheers Lydia
I added some comments on
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata/Development/Storyboard_for_link...
Gregor
I have to say i find the story board really confusing. If I click on add language links i would assume to get some sort of form where i can add/remove/edit language links that will be shown on the left. I have to however choose only 1 language and suddenly many more might be added, or none will be added. If i don't understand the underlying workings of wikidata, i think it would seems random wether i am able to add (i can't really do that either) a link [1] or it says no page found [2].
Let's assume the page for Germany does not have any links yet on any wikipedia. I would go to [3] and click [add] next to languages to add the english version i know exsist.
I would get the modal box to enter a language [4]. I would choose English in the first box and then start typing Germany in the second. Then however i get [2] the no match found error. Even though i know that is the english version of the german page.
Imho the workflow should be:
I add the first language - if the page i choose already has a item on wikidata i get a message saying "hey there are already other languages that are already present are those correct?" (or similar) - if the page i choose does not have an item on wikidata, a new item is created and the two languages versions (in the example english and german) are added to it.
The window will stay the same however. I think it should be [5] or similar.
I add another language link - if the page i choose already has an item on wikidata i get a message saying "hey there are already other languages that are already present" - if that item already has a link to my language it should tell me so "this page is currently the translation of <page on my wikipedia>, is that not correct?" (or similar) - if the page i choose does not ahve an item on wikidata, it is added to the item of my page as language version.
I think something like that would be easier to understand for the user. (Or have i totally misunderstood the workflow?)
Another approach would be a wizard that explains to me i have to first link my language version to a page on wikidata before i can add/remove language links.
Then however it should say so in the buttons. So on the left below the language it should have a link <connect to wikidata> and as long as that is not done, i should not be able to add/remove/edit languages via this bar. Once i have linked the page to a item on wikidata the language edit feature could be activated.
Friedrich
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_storyboard_connect_article2.png
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_storyboard_connect_article_noma...
[3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland
[4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_storyboard_connect_article1.png
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_storyboards_editlinks-addlang2....
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
I added some comments on
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata/Development/Storyboard_for_link...
Gregor
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Hello,
On 2012-06-20 16:51, Friedrich Röhrs wrote:
I have to say i find the story board really confusing. If I click on add language links i would assume to get some sort of form where i can add/remove/edit language links that will be shown on the left. I have to however choose only 1 language and suddenly many more might be added, or none will be added. If i don't understand the underlying workings of wikidata, i think it would seems random wether i am able to add (i can't really do that either) a link [1] or it says no page found [2].
Let's assume the page for Germany does not have any links yet on any wikipedia. I would go to [3] and click [add] next to languages to add the english version i know exsist.
I would get the modal box to enter a language [4]. I would choose English in the first box and then start typing Germany in the second. Then however i get [2] the no match found error. Even though i know that is the english version of the german page.
Imho the workflow should be:
I add the first language
- if the page i choose already has a item on wikidata i get a message
saying "hey there are already other languages that are already present are those correct?" (or similar)
- if the page i choose does not have an item on wikidata, a new item
is created and the two languages versions (in the example english and german) are added to it.
I agree.
The window will stay the same however. I think it should be [5] or similar.
Why not integrating the feature directly into the lower left language bar, looking and working similar as the test-repo http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Data:Q2
Instead of two text-inputs this could be combined and the suggestions shown as <Language>: <Lemma>.
[Remove] would remove the relation Wikipedia-lemma -> Wikidata-item.
If there is no such relation it should not be possible to add other languages.
For linking a wikipedia-lemma to a wikidata-item a tree view would be great, showing the wikidata-items an their connected wikipedia-lemmas.
Marco
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
I added some comments on
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata/Development/Storyboard_for_link...
Gregor
Thanks! Katie will have a look.
Cheers Lydia