Hi all,
I'm curious what folks here think about making some noise about the two most recent additions to the Wikimedia family around January or February. Wikivoyage is still finishing up the beta phase (image transfers, logo import etc.) this month, and Wikidata isn't live as a repository yet -- but we could set a target date that would work for both projects.
What I'm imagining is an actual banner on Wikimedia projects announcing the launch of both Wikivoyage and Wikidata, pointing to a landing page explaining what these projects are, how to participate, etc. That page could be drafted on Meta. Then interested folks would visit the projects to learn more and get involved.
Wikimedia projects obviously have an enormous reach and I think this could help create awareness and build community -- but it could also be an unwelcome influx in the early stages. This could be regulated by running a banner only for logged in users, or x% of readers.
Thoughts?
Erik
I think that is an excellent idea. It would also build readership. So as long as we have the image issue dealt with I would be happy to see the banner go out to everyone.
James Heilman
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
I'm curious what folks here think about making some noise about the two most recent additions to the Wikimedia family around January or February. Wikivoyage is still finishing up the beta phase (image transfers, logo import etc.) this month, and Wikidata isn't live as a repository yet -- but we could set a target date that would work for both projects.
What I'm imagining is an actual banner on Wikimedia projects announcing the launch of both Wikivoyage and Wikidata, pointing to a landing page explaining what these projects are, how to participate, etc. That page could be drafted on Meta. Then interested folks would visit the projects to learn more and get involved.
Wikimedia projects obviously have an enormous reach and I think this could help create awareness and build community -- but it could also be an unwelcome influx in the early stages. This could be regulated by running a banner only for logged in users, or x% of readers.
Thoughts?
Erik
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Assuming that the most recent rough timeline I've got is still accurate, Wikidata will have deployed Phase II of its features by, at the latest, early January. I'd prefer that we wait at least a week or two after that for the project to re-stabilize before we make the big announcement, as I do not want to have people coming in right as we're working out the bugs from the Phase II deployment. That would mean, ballpark, that I'd be most comfortable with us doing this early February. That is in the timeline you gave.
I would also like to stress the importance of the WMF communicating with these two mailing lists and giving us at least a 48 hour warning before the banners go live. I want to make sure that the local admins (and everyone else) knows that we're going to potentially get a large wave of new users. Call me a cynic, but considering how drama-free and smooth Wikidata has been, I've kinda been waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm not saying that the people there now would be hostile to the people that might be joining after the announcement, but I am saying that having people on hand in case there is trouble is going to be important. Okay, so yes, I am truly a cynic of epic proportions. On a more positive note, it would also give me time to make sure that all of the project's help pages are cleaned up and that we have a nice centralized location that lists said pages where we can point the new people to.
Thanks for the idea, Sven
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
I'm curious what folks here think about making some noise about the two most recent additions to the Wikimedia family around January or February. Wikivoyage is still finishing up the beta phase (image transfers, logo import etc.) this month, and Wikidata isn't live as a repository yet -- but we could set a target date that would work for both projects.
What I'm imagining is an actual banner on Wikimedia projects announcing the launch of both Wikivoyage and Wikidata, pointing to a landing page explaining what these projects are, how to participate, etc. That page could be drafted on Meta. Then interested folks would visit the projects to learn more and get involved.
Wikimedia projects obviously have an enormous reach and I think this could help create awareness and build community -- but it could also be an unwelcome influx in the early stages. This could be regulated by running a banner only for logged in users, or x% of readers.
Thoughts?
Erik
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Hi Erik,
On 06/12/12 00:03, Erik Moeller wrote:
I'm curious what folks here think about making some noise about the two most recent additions to the Wikimedia family around January or February.
Great Idea!
Wikivoyage is still finishing up the beta phase (image transfers, logo import etc.) this month, and Wikidata isn't live as a repository yet -- but we could set a target date that would work for both projects.
I do not know the state of WikiVoyage but congratulations to the team of Wikivoyage.
Form Wikidata I do not think that this will make much sense. Most of the people working on Wikipedia know about Wikidata, but the pure "consumers" do not know about it.
At the moment those would probably think, "Nice way to combine articles across different Wikipedias". But they do not see the real potential of Wikidata. Having those centralized interlanguage-links is really great but most people do not see the difference.
What I'm imagining is an actual banner on Wikimedia projects announcing the launch of both Wikivoyage and Wikidata, pointing to a landing page explaining what these projects are, how to participate, etc. That page could be drafted on Meta. Then interested folks would visit the projects to learn more and get involved.
This will be great for Wikivoyage, but not for Wikidata. There the folk's job is testing of the software not participating data.
Wikimedia projects obviously have an enormous reach and I think this could help create awareness and build community -- but it could also be an unwelcome influx in the early stages. This could be regulated by running a banner only for logged in users, or x% of readers.
I assume most of the logged in users already know about the two projects. So the wikivoyage banner could be shown to a percentage of pure consumers by January or February.
For Wikidata I would suggest to do that a bit later, maybe April/May?
Thoughts?
All in all: Great idea – for Wikidata maybe a bit to early?
BTW: I never came to the idea mentioning Wikivoyage and Wikidata in on sentense. ;-)
Marco
Hi,
2012/12/6 Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org:
I'm curious what folks here think about making some noise about the two most recent additions to the Wikimedia family around January or February. Wikivoyage is still finishing up the beta phase (image transfers, logo import etc.) this month, and Wikidata isn't live as a repository yet -- but we could set a target date that would work for both projects.
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Thoughts?
Great idea, but isn't it a bit premature for Wikidata? Right now we only have interwiki links (and an awesome community :) ), which I fear isn't enough for newcomers to understand how critical this new project is. Once phase 2 is live, however, this would make sense without any doubt.
Best regards,
Hi Erik,
Sorry, to all others, I just sent the e-mail before but somehow – I really do not know how that could happen – Erik was not included as I clicked on the "Send"-Button. Sorry about that. :-(
Many thanks to Sven for this information.
So I'll try it once again.
On 06/12/12 00:03, Erik Moeller wrote:
Hi all,
I'm curious what folks here think about making some noise about the two most recent additions to the Wikimedia family around January or February.
Great Idea!
Wikivoyage is still finishing up the beta phase (image transfers, logo import etc.) this month, and Wikidata isn't live as a repository yet -- but we could set a target date that would work for both projects.
I do not know the state of WikiVoyage but congratulations to the team of Wikivoyage.
Form Wikidata I do not think that this will make much sense. Most of the people working on Wikipedia know about Wikidata, but the pure "consumers" do not know about it.
At the moment those would probably think, "Nice way to combine articles across different Wikipedias". But they do not see the real potential of Wikidata. Having those centralized interlanguage-links is really great but most people do not see the difference.
What I'm imagining is an actual banner on Wikimedia projects announcing the launch of both Wikivoyage and Wikidata, pointing to a landing page explaining what these projects are, how to participate, etc. That page could be drafted on Meta. Then interested folks would visit the projects to learn more and get involved.
This will be great for Wikivoyage, but not for Wikidata. There the folk's job is testing of the software not participating data.
Wikimedia projects obviously have an enormous reach and I think this could help create awareness and build community -- but it could also be an unwelcome influx in the early stages. This could be regulated by running a banner only for logged in users, or x% of readers.
I assume most of the logged in users already know about the two projects. So the wikivoyage banner could be shown to a percentage of pure consumers by January or February.
For Wikidata I would suggest to do that a bit later, maybe April/May?
Thoughts?
All in all: Great idea – for Wikidata maybe a bit to early?
BTW: I never came to the idea mentioning Wikivoyage and Wikidata in on sentense.
Marco
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
I'm curious what folks here think about making some noise about the two most recent additions to the Wikimedia family around January or February. Wikivoyage is still finishing up the beta phase (image transfers, logo import etc.) this month, and Wikidata isn't live as a repository yet -- but we could set a target date that would work for both projects.
What I'm imagining is an actual banner on Wikimedia projects announcing the launch of both Wikivoyage and Wikidata, pointing to a landing page explaining what these projects are, how to participate, etc. That page could be drafted on Meta. Then interested folks would visit the projects to learn more and get involved.
Wikimedia projects obviously have an enormous reach and I think this could help create awareness and build community -- but it could also be an unwelcome influx in the early stages. This could be regulated by running a banner only for logged in users, or x% of readers.
Thoughts?
Hey :)
As others have already said this seems good but too early for Wikidata. I would wait with this until at least February (probably even later) to give the community time to settle a bit and grow before the huge storm.
Cheers Lydia
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