John McClure wrote: "To my knowledge ISO has not published, nor is intending to publish, instances of topic maps representing the content of their numerous publications, using either their (ISO's) standard for Topic Maps (ISO/IEC 13250), or any other ISO or non-ISO standard. Forgive me if I ever gave that impression.
You provided a nice link to unofficial topic map standards, thank you. Here's others: http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/tmlinks.html."
thanks for the link. Why is the topic map standard at http://www.topicmaps.org/standards/ an unofficial topic map standard? They talk about that it is ISO 13250 standard.
You had drawn my attention to the ISO, thanks for that however the impression that they might have some standards is from their website: http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnum...
where they write amongst others: "The primary purpose of ISO/IEC 19788 is to specify metadata elements and their attributes for the description of learning resources. This includes the rules governing the identification of data elements and the specification of their attributes."
since this thing costs 162 CHF i can't check what those guys are really doing there, however it would be strange to define metadata which is not for automated processing. In particular they write a little later:
"ISO/IEC 19788-1:2011 is information-technology-neutral and defines a set of common approaches, i.e. methodologies and constructs, which apply to the development of the subsequent parts of ISO/IEC 19788."
would they write this if ISO/IEC 19788 was information-technology-neutral as well?
moreover there exists also a N2448 Summary of voting on ISOIEC NP 18343, Learning environment profile for automated contents
which is password protected at the webpage: http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/open/jtc1sc36 but where the word AUTOMATED appears explicitly.
but of course it would be nicer to have someone who knows explicitly what exactly they are having in mind there at ISO.
Nadja,
"Why is the topic map standard at http://www.topicmaps.org/standards/ [8] an unofficial topic map standard?" Links can be found to working technical committee reports, which are generally re-titled as "standards" once voted and accepted by ISO. These TC reports vary little from what is published by the ISO community as a "standard".
"ISO/IEC 19788-1:2011 is information-technology-neutral" means that information elements defined by the standard for learning resources can be represented using a concrete implementation syntax such as provided by the RDF or by Topic Maps or by SMW syntax or by JSON or by a variety of others. For instance, a data element defined by 19788 might be "Learning Resource" which has an attribute called "Minimum Education Level".
In RDF a given LearningResource would be exchanged via <rdf:RDF xmlns:iso="http://iso.org/19788/" xmlns:dc="dublin core"> <iso:LearningResource rdf:about="LR12345">
dc:titleLithium</dc:title> iso:minEducLevel12th grade</iso:minEducLevel> </iso:LearningResource> </rdf:RDF> The owl:Class definition for iso:LearningResource and rdf:Property definition for iso:minEducLevel are not shown.
In Topic Maps, exchange is had from <tm:topicmap xmlns:tm="http://iso.org/13250/" xmlns:dc="dublin core"> tm:topic
tm:itemIdentityLR12345</tm:itemIdentity> tm:name
tm:valueLithium</tm:value> </tm:name> tm:occurrence tm:type
<tm:resourceRef href="http://iso.org/19788/MinimumEducationLevel%22/%3E
</tm:type> tm:resourceData12th grade</tm:resourceData>
</tm:occurrence> </tm:topic> </tm:topicmap> Markup for a "published subject identifier" -- eg http://iso.org/19788/MinimumEducationLevel -- is not shown.
In SMW, the page named "Lithium" might be exported as <page> <title>Lithium</title> <revision> <text xml:space="preserve"> [[Category:ISO 19788 Learning Resources]] [[minEducLevel::12th grade]] </text>
</revision> </page> while a page entitled "Category:ISO 19788 Learning Resources" is mapped elsewhere in the wiki to an import-able owl:Class definition and a page entitled "Property:minEducLevel" is mapped to an import-able rdf:Property definition.
It'd be interesting to hear from the Wikidata team what the SNAK API serialization(s) would be.
John
On 05.09.2012 09:45, Nadja Kutz wrote:
John McClure wrote:
"To my knowledge ISO has not published, nor is intending to publish, instances of topic maps representing the content of their numerous publications, using either their (ISO's) standard for Topic Maps (ISO/IEC 13250), or any other ISO or non-ISO standard. Forgive me if I ever gave that impression.
You provided a nice link to unofficial
topic map standards, thank you. Here's others: http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/tmlinks.html [1]."
thanks for the
link. Why is the topic map standard at http://www.topicmaps.org/standards/ [2] an unofficial topic map standard?
They talk about that it is ISO 13250 standard. You had
drawn my attention to the ISO, thanks for that however the impression that they might have some standards is from their
website:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnum... [3]
where they write amongst others: "The primary purpose of
ISO/IEC 19788 is to specify metadata elements and their attributes for the description of learning resources. This includes the rules governing the identification of data elements and the specification of their attributes."
since this thing costs 162 CHF i can't check what those
guys are really doing there, however it would be strange to define
metadata which is not for automated processing. In particular they write a little later:
"ISO/IEC 19788-1:2011 is
information-technology-neutral and defines a set of common approaches, i.e. methodologies and constructs, which apply to the development of the subsequent parts of ISO/IEC 19788."
would they write this if ISO/IEC
19788 was information-technology-neutral as well?
moreover there
exists also a
N2448 [4]Summary of voting on ISOIEC NP 18343, Learning
environment profile for automated contents [5] [6]
which is password
protected at the webpage: http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/open/jtc1sc36 [7]
but where
the word AUTOMATED appears explicitly.
but of course it would be
nicer to have someone who knows explicitly what exactly they are having in mind there at ISO.
Links: ------ [1] http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/tmlinks.html [2] http://www.topicmaps.org/standards/ [3] http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnum... [4] http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=14565184&objAct... [5] http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=14565184&objAct... [6] http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=14565184&objAct... [7] http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/open/jtc1sc36 [8] http://www.topicmaps.org/standards/
