Hi Denny, I'm really excited to see a sister project getting included, however I'm concerned that the community needs a bit more time and notice (I didn't see anything about this on WD:PC). When importing interwiki links for Wikipedias, we had a few months before they were used on client sites. The proposed schedule gives our bots ~3 days to import a majority of links, which I don't think is enough time. A whole week would be much better in my opinion. I've also started a page on-wiki to help coordinate the migration: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikivoyage_migration -- Legoktm
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Sorry, I had a typo in the title of my last Email. It should be Wikivoyage obviously, not Wikileaks or Wikisomethingelse.
Cheers, Denny
2013/6/28 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de
Hey all,
as discussed yesterday in the call, here is our current plan for deploying interwikilinks to Wikivoyage. If there are no complaints from your side by Tuesday, we will share this plan with the Wikivoyage communities and the Wikidata community on Wednesday.
Wed, July 17th: Branching Wikibase 1.22-wmf12
Thu, July 18th: Deploying wmf12 to the test systems and setting up configurations for Wikivoyage on test. This means, the Test Wikidata can accept links to Wikivoyage sites.
Mon, July 22nd: Deploying wmf12 to wikidata.org and setting the configuration to accept Wikivoyage links as well.
Thu, July, 25th: Deploying wmf12 client to all Wikivoyage.org language editions. From this moment on, Wikivoyage can access interwiki links from Wikidata, and does not need to have them locally anymore.
Notes:
- Wikivoyage will only get access to the interwikis for now, not to other
data in Wikidata. This is planned for later, but we just want to go step by step (i.e. only "phase 1")
- Wikipedia will not automatically and suddenly display links to
Wikivoyage. The behavior on Wikipedia actually remains completely unchanged by this deployment.
- Wikivoyage will not automatically get links to Wikipedia and display
them (currently called "Related sites"). This is also left for later.
- Further sister projects are planned for later, depending how smoothly
this deployment goes.
- There is no need for an additional item for e.g. New York for
Wikivoyage, but rather the links to Wikivoyage can be entered in the same item that also holds the links to Wikipedia.
Cheers, Denny
P.S.: Ken, you might consider joining the Wikidata tech list. This is where we send the agenda for the Thursday calls around.
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:45 PM, legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Denny, I'm really excited to see a sister project getting included, however I'm concerned that the community needs a bit more time and notice (I didn't see anything about this on WD:PC). When importing interwiki links for Wikipedias, we had a few months before they were used on client sites. The proposed schedule gives our bots ~3 days to import a majority of links, which I don't think is enough time. A whole week would be much better in my opinion. I've also started a page on-wiki to help coordinate the migration: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikivoyage_migration
Hey :)
There is no rush and absolutely no need to have all links migrated by the time it is turned on. The existing links in the wikitext will continue to work just fine just like they do on Wikipedia. It is absolutely fine to make this a slow migration. Please let me announce this properly in the appropriate channels when the dates are settled.
Cheers Lydia
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Admittedly I have been crazy busy with things unrelated to Wikimedia projects, so I haven't followed this discussion, but I'd like to ask for a clarification on Wikivoyage interwiki links. If they're going to be on the same item page as the Wikipedia interwiki links, is there going to be a dedicated section for WV links separate (and clearly labeled) from the existing Wikipedia interwiki links, or are both sets of links going to be in the same list.
i.e. are we going to have
Wikipedia en: New York City es: New York City it: New York City
Wikivoyage en: New York City es: New York City it: New York City
or are we going to have
wp:en: New York City wv:en: New York City wp:es: New York City wv:es: New York City wp:it: New York City wv:it: New York City
I really, really hope it's two separate lists. Otherwise things are going to become unnecessarily complicated/difficult.
Cheers,
S
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM, legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Denny, I'm really excited to see a sister project getting included, however I'm concerned that the community needs a bit more time and notice (I didn't see anything about this on WD:PC). When importing interwiki links for Wikipedias, we had a few months before they were used on client sites. The proposed schedule gives our bots ~3 days to import a majority of links, which I don't think is enough time. A whole week would be much better in my opinion. I've also started a page on-wiki to help coordinate the migration: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikivoyage_migration -- Legoktm
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Sorry, I had a typo in the title of my last Email. It should be Wikivoyage obviously, not Wikileaks or Wikisomethingelse.
Cheers, Denny
2013/6/28 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de
Hey all,
as discussed yesterday in the call, here is our current plan for deploying interwikilinks to Wikivoyage. If there are no complaints from your side by Tuesday, we will share this plan with the Wikivoyage communities and the Wikidata community on Wednesday.
Wed, July 17th: Branching Wikibase 1.22-wmf12
Thu, July 18th: Deploying wmf12 to the test systems and setting up configurations for Wikivoyage on test. This means, the Test Wikidata can accept links to Wikivoyage sites.
Mon, July 22nd: Deploying wmf12 to wikidata.org and setting the configuration to accept Wikivoyage links as well.
Thu, July, 25th: Deploying wmf12 client to all Wikivoyage.org language editions. From this moment on, Wikivoyage can access interwiki links from Wikidata, and does not need to have them locally anymore.
Notes:
- Wikivoyage will only get access to the interwikis for now, not to
other data in Wikidata. This is planned for later, but we just want to go step by step (i.e. only "phase 1")
- Wikipedia will not automatically and suddenly display links to
Wikivoyage. The behavior on Wikipedia actually remains completely unchanged by this deployment.
- Wikivoyage will not automatically get links to Wikipedia and display
them (currently called "Related sites"). This is also left for later.
- Further sister projects are planned for later, depending how smoothly
this deployment goes.
- There is no need for an additional item for e.g. New York for
Wikivoyage, but rather the links to Wikivoyage can be entered in the same item that also holds the links to Wikipedia.
Cheers, Denny
P.S.: Ken, you might consider joining the Wikidata tech list. This is where we send the agenda for the Thursday calls around.
-- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com wrote:
Admittedly I have been crazy busy with things unrelated to Wikimedia projects, so I haven't followed this discussion, but I'd like to ask for a clarification on Wikivoyage interwiki links. If they're going to be on the same item page as the Wikipedia interwiki links, is there going to be a dedicated section for WV links separate (and clearly labeled) from the existing Wikipedia interwiki links, or are both sets of links going to be in the same list.
i.e. are we going to have
Wikipedia en: New York City es: New York City it: New York City
Wikivoyage en: New York City es: New York City it: New York City
or are we going to have
wp:en: New York City wv:en: New York City wp:es: New York City wv:es: New York City wp:it: New York City wv:it: New York City
I really, really hope it's two separate lists. Otherwise things are going to become unnecessarily complicated/difficult.
It will be 2 separate lists. I'll let you all know when you can try it out on the test systems.
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Technical Projects
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
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legoktm, 28/06/2013 23:45:
Hi Denny, I'm really excited to see a sister project getting included,
+1 I've no idea why start with Wikivoyage, but it's very good that the central interwiki management is being extended to other projects when it's easy to do so (as it would be for Wikiquote and, mutatis mutandis, Commons).
Nemo
however I'm concerned that the community needs a bit more time and notice (I didn't see anything about this on WD:PC). When importing interwiki links for Wikipedias, we had a few months before they were used on client sites. The proposed schedule gives our bots ~3 days to import a majority of links, which I don't think is enough time. A whole week would be much better in my opinion. I've also started a page on-wiki to help coordinate the migration: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikivoyage_migration
I have to imagine that the reason why is that Wikivoyage is the closest project to Wikipedia out of all of the sister projects in many important ways. Yes, their page organization system is a little bit different, but not as different as say Wikisource, but perhaps more importantly, the kind of information that they would want as structured data is closest to the kind of information at Wikipedia wants in structured data. It is a safe choince and means less developer time has to be spent on bringing in the new project, so more developer time can be kept on Wikidata development itself. On Jun 29, 2013 9:23 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
legoktm, 28/06/2013 23:45:
Hi Denny, I'm really excited to see a sister project getting included,
+1 I've no idea why start with Wikivoyage, but it's very good that the central interwiki management is being extended to other projects when it's easy to do so (as it would be for Wikiquote and, mutatis mutandis, Commons).
Nemo
however I'm
concerned that the community needs a bit more time and notice (I didn't see anything about this on WD:PC). When importing interwiki links for Wikipedias, we had a few months before they were used on client sites. The proposed schedule gives our bots ~3 days to import a majority of links, which I don't think is enough time. A whole week would be much better in my opinion. I've also started a page on-wiki to help coordinate the migration: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Wikidata:Wikivoyage_migrationhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikivoyage_migration
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Am 29.06.2013 18:21, schrieb Sven Manguard:
I have to imagine that the reason why is that Wikivoyage is the closest project to Wikipedia out of all of the sister projects in many important ways. Yes, their page organization system is a little bit different, but not as different as say Wikisource, but perhaps more importantly, the kind of information that they would want as structured data is closest to the kind of information at Wikipedia wants in structured data. It is a safe choince and means less developer time has to be spent on bringing in the new project, so more developer time can be kept on Wikidata development itself.
Yes, the structural similarity to Wikipedia is indeed an important reason for going for Wikivoyage first.
-- daniel