Hi Maxime!
Have a look at http://musicbrainz.org/, it uses structured data, is freely licensed, and they are very interested in integrating with Wikidata.
While Wikidata has finer granularity than Wikipedia, as far as I know you would not be able to include just any piece by any artist. MusicBrainz's scope is probably better suited for your project.
However, why only use one Database? Ideally, if there is a Wikidata item about some entry on MusicBrainz, these would be linked to each other using the appropriate properties. So, you could search MusicBrains and include information from Wikidata if it is available (or vice versa).
-- daniel
Am 10.03.2014 19:54, schrieb Maxime Lathuilière:
Hi!
I'm getting my mind busy on the idea of an application using wikidata's data to identify cultural items such as books, films or songs but with a very integrative approach; for instance, I would like to be able to find a unique identifier for all the atomic pieces created by, let's say, JS Bach or Skrillex. Would wikidata be the place for such a level of detail, while it's not always welcome for wikipedias?
If not, how could one start a complementary database, structured around wikidata entities but linking external items, while letting the door open for wikidata contributors to integrate elements of it? Are there tools around wikidata api implementing this kind of connection? Would this kind of porosity between databases imply to use CC0 licences or could CC-BY-SA be an option?
Thanks in advance :)
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Thanks Daniel! Just found their page on the subject :) https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Wikidata
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Le 10/03/2014 20:08, Daniel Kinzler a écrit :
Hi Maxime!
Have a look at http://musicbrainz.org/, it uses structured data, is freely licensed, and they are very interested in integrating with Wikidata.
While Wikidata has finer granularity than Wikipedia, as far as I know you would not be able to include just any piece by any artist. MusicBrainz's scope is probably better suited for your project.
However, why only use one Database? Ideally, if there is a Wikidata item about some entry on MusicBrainz, these would be linked to each other using the appropriate properties. So, you could search MusicBrains and include information from Wikidata if it is available (or vice versa).
-- daniel
Am 10.03.2014 19:54, schrieb Maxime Lathuilière:
Hi!
I'm getting my mind busy on the idea of an application using wikidata's data to identify cultural items such as books, films or songs but with a very integrative approach; for instance, I would like to be able to find a unique identifier for all the atomic pieces created by, let's say, JS Bach or Skrillex. Would wikidata be the place for such a level of detail, while it's not always welcome for wikipedias?
If not, how could one start a complementary database, structured around wikidata entities but linking external items, while letting the door open for wikidata contributors to integrate elements of it? Are there tools around wikidata api implementing this kind of connection? Would this kind of porosity between databases imply to use CC0 licences or could CC-BY-SA be an option?
Thanks in advance :)
--
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On 3/10/14 3:08 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Hi Maxime!
Have a look athttp://musicbrainz.org/, it uses structured data, is freely licensed, and they are very interested in integrating with Wikidata.
While Wikidata has finer granularity than Wikipedia, as far as I know you would not be able to include just any piece by any artist. MusicBrainz's scope is probably better suited for your project.
However, why only use one Database? Ideally, if there is a Wikidata item about some entry on MusicBrainz, these would be linked to each other using the appropriate properties. So, you could search MusicBrains and include information from Wikidata if it is available (or vice versa).
Daniel,
In the light of your comments above, why can't Wikidata, Freebase, and DBpedia cross-reference is a natural way. All I see right now are the following, which I find suboptimal, for all the wrong reasons:
1. Wikidata cross references Freebase 2. Freebase cross references Wikidata 3. DBpedia cross references both, but makes bridge URIs in the DBpedia namespace to achieve this, in regards to Wikidata.
1-3 isn't how this should be working out on the Web of Linked Data.
Links:
[1] http://bit.ly/1lZyKy3 -- simple example of my claims re., an inability (for all the wrong reasons) for these projects to collaborate effectively (just follow-your-nose by clicking any of the links in the page to which this URI resolves).
Hi Kingsley,
Sorry for the newbie question but I don't really get what the page you linked to should ideally output. Could you explain what is wrong in this and what would be the good behavior for those 3 to collaborate smoothly? (or link to any article explicating this)
Thanks in advance!
Maxime Lathuilière maxlath.eu http://maxlath.eu @maxlath Zorglub27 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Zorglub27 Contributions https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zorglub27
Le 13/03/2014 13:18, Kingsley Idehen a écrit :
On 3/10/14 3:08 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Hi Maxime!
Have a look athttp://musicbrainz.org/, it uses structured data, is freely licensed, and they are very interested in integrating with Wikidata.
While Wikidata has finer granularity than Wikipedia, as far as I know you would not be able to include just any piece by any artist. MusicBrainz's scope is probably better suited for your project.
However, why only use one Database? Ideally, if there is a Wikidata item about some entry on MusicBrainz, these would be linked to each other using the appropriate properties. So, you could search MusicBrains and include information from Wikidata if it is available (or vice versa).
Daniel,
In the light of your comments above, why can't Wikidata, Freebase, and DBpedia cross-reference is a natural way. All I see right now are the following, which I find suboptimal, for all the wrong reasons:
- Wikidata cross references Freebase
- Freebase cross references Wikidata
- DBpedia cross references both, but makes bridge URIs in the DBpedia
namespace to achieve this, in regards to Wikidata.
1-3 isn't how this should be working out on the Web of Linked Data.
Links:
[1] http://bit.ly/1lZyKy3 -- simple example of my claims re., an inability (for all the wrong reasons) for these projects to collaborate effectively (just follow-your-nose by clicking any of the links in the page to which this URI resolves).
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On 3/13/14 2:07 PM, Maxime Lathuilière wrote:
Hi Kingsley,
Sorry for the newbie question but I don't really get what the page you linked to should ideally output. Could you explain what is wrong in this and what would be the good behavior for those 3 to collaborate smoothly? (or link to any article explicating this)
Thanks in advance!
The page in question is the result of me using my knowledge of the data sources to construct a specific kind relation for the underlying query used by the DBMS engine. Basically, my approach isn't a pattern used by a casual user. Anyway, I used this query to show that DBpedia, Wikidata, and Freebase aren't cross-referencing they way they should. In a sense, I see patterns that simply mangle what should be very straightforward co-reference associations.
Issues:
1. Wikidata references Freebase 2. Freebase reciprocates 3. neither references DBpedia 4. DBpedia references both, but in the case of Wikidata it mints its own URIs (due to issues with Wikidata's Linked Data URIs which may or may not still exist).
Ultimately, I am also trying to show all the parties involved that what's going on here doesn't really look good, and its going to be easier to folks to see this, as the familiarization grows.
Kingsley
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Le 13/03/2014 13:18, Kingsley Idehen a écrit :
On 3/10/14 3:08 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Hi Maxime!
Have a look athttp://musicbrainz.org/, it uses structured data, is freely licensed, and they are very interested in integrating with Wikidata.
While Wikidata has finer granularity than Wikipedia, as far as I know you would not be able to include just any piece by any artist. MusicBrainz's scope is probably better suited for your project.
However, why only use one Database? Ideally, if there is a Wikidata item about some entry on MusicBrainz, these would be linked to each other using the appropriate properties. So, you could search MusicBrains and include information from Wikidata if it is available (or vice versa).
Daniel,
In the light of your comments above, why can't Wikidata, Freebase, and DBpedia cross-reference is a natural way. All I see right now are the following, which I find suboptimal, for all the wrong reasons:
- Wikidata cross references Freebase
- Freebase cross references Wikidata
- DBpedia cross references both, but makes bridge URIs in the DBpedia
namespace to achieve this, in regards to Wikidata.
1-3 isn't how this should be working out on the Web of Linked Data.
Links:
[1] http://bit.ly/1lZyKy3 -- simple example of my claims re., an inability (for all the wrong reasons) for these projects to collaborate effectively (just follow-your-nose by clicking any of the links in the page to which this URI resolves).
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