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Lydia Pintscher

13 Feb 2013 13 Feb '13

9:01 p.m.

Heya :) Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with phase 1 now \o/ Details are in this blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia An FAQ is being worked on at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions Thanks everyone who helped! Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Luca Martinelli

13 Feb 13 Feb

9:04 p.m.

Yeah! Keep going! Il giorno 13/feb/2013 22:02, "Lydia Pintscher" <lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> ha scritto:

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Marco Fleckinger

9:13 p.m.

Many congratulations! Cheers, Marco Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> schrieb:

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Katie Chan

9:23 p.m.

On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

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:) Now if only those interwiki bots would stop adding links back... KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine

Denny Vrandečić

9:30 p.m.

Block them until they behave? 2013/2/13 Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info>

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On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

Heya :) Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with phase 1 now \o/ Details are in this blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/**02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-** english-wikipedia<http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia> An FAQ is being worked on at http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_**Questions<http://… Thanks everyone who helped!

:) Now if only those interwiki bots would stop adding links back... KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ______________________________**_________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l<https://lists.…

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Denny Vrandečić

9:31 p.m.

You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). 2013/2/13 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic(a)wikimedia.de>

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Block them until they behave? 2013/2/13 Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info>

On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

Katie Chan

9:41 p.m.

On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

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You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).

Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=538105382> -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine

Amir Ladsgroup

14 Feb 14 Feb

5:34 a.m.

I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info> wrote:

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On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).

Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedia.…

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Yuri Astrakhan

6:14 a.m.

We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).

Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedia.…

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Amir Ladsgroup

10:29 a.m.

That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote:

You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far).

Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_* *conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=538105382>

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Yuri Astrakhan

10:34 a.m.

I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might make sense not to do it. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). > Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_ **conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=538105382> > -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ______________________________**_________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l<https://lists.…

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Lydia Pintscher

10:38 a.m.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might make sense not to do it.

The current plan is to do all the remaining ones in one go. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

Amir Ladsgroup

10:41 a.m.

When? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might

make

sense not to do it.

-- Amir

Lydia Pintscher

10:44 a.m.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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When?

It was planned for the 27th but it looks like we will have to move it a few days because of a meeting at the WMF offices. I'll let you know as soon as I know more. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

Amir E. Aharoni

11 a.m.

I prefer to make the API call and not to check by a list of languages. Several reasons: 1. It's more robust in general. 2. Wikibase extension, as well as pywikipedia, can be used on other wikis, too. 3. There are dark corners in Wikimedia wikis - non-standard codes, redirects, locked wikis, non-language wikis (Commons, Outreach etc.) It's possible that these are out of the bots' scope, but checking the API will still make it more robust. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2013/2/14 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > > You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=538105382> -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

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Yuri Astrakhan

11:11 a.m.

Makes sense, just make sure the call does not query all 270 languages at once, but on the need to know basis. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

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That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think

there

is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good

idea

right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but

not

now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com wrote: > > We really ought to change it to dynamic: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase > (thanks duh) > > If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update

> the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to

make

> sure it hasn't changed. > > The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked,

> there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should

> aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc.

Lots

> of heuristical changes. > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I did this: >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 >> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) >> BTW:congrats. >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info> wrote: >>> >>> On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: >>>> >>>> You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). >>> >>> >>> Just once so far - >>> <

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=pr…

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Marco Fleckinger

10:48 p.m.

Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore. Cheers Marco On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:

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That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase <http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase> we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com <mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.com>> wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase> (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com>> wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info>> wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__index.php?title=Papal___conclave,_2013&diff=prev&__oldid=538105382 <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=538105382>> -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine _________________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> -- Amir _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Yuri Astrakhan

10:57 p.m.

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That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.**php?action=query&meta=wikibase<http:… <http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase<http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase>

we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com <mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.**com <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com>>> wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase<ht… <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase>

(thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com>> wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/**11073<https:… so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info>> wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**index.php?title=Papal___** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&__**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedi… <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedia.…

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Marco Fleckinger

11:10 p.m.

What about a bot to observe bot changes periodically and checking those for unwanted interwiki-operations? On 02/14/2013 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:

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We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly modify their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together until they can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could post a comment on most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the local communities that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them). On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger(a)wikipedia.at <mailto:marco.fleckinger@wikipedia.at>> wrote: Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore. Cheers Marco On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.__php?action=query&meta=wikibase <http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase> <http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=query&meta=__wikibase <http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase>> we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com <mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.com> <mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.__com <mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.com>>> wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=query&meta=__wikibase <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=query&meta=__wikibase <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase>> (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com> <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com>>> wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/__wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/__11073 <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073> so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info> <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info>>> wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/____index.php?title=Papal_____conclave,_2013&diff=prev&____oldid=538105382 <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__index.php?title=Papal___conclave,_2013&diff=prev&__oldid=538105382> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__index.php?title=Papal___conclave,_2013&diff=prev&__oldid=538105382 <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013&diff=prev&oldid=538105382>>> -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___________________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/____mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l>> -- Amir _________________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> _________________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> -- Amir _________________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> _________________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

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I think it might take some time to rewrite and test the new interwiki bot. If the bot operators simply download the latest version, they will continue running the old one until its fixed. If we plan to deploy wikidata to all sites soon, there is really no point in running IW bots any more until their logic is substantially changed. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Marco Fleckinger < marco.fleckinger(a)wikipedia.at> wrote:

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What about a bot to observe bot changes periodically and checking those for unwanted interwiki-operations? On 02/14/2013 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:

wrote: Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore. Cheers Marco On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.**__php?action=query&meta=** wikibase <http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.__php?action=query&meta=wikibase> <http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase<http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase>

<http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/__**api.php?action=query&meta=__** wikibase<http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=query&meta=__wik… http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase<htt…

<mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.__**com <mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.**com <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com>>>> wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**api.php?action=query&meta=__** wikibase<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=query&meta=__wi… https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=query&meta=**wikibase<ht…

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(thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com> <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com>>> wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/__**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/** __11073<https://www.mediawiki.org/__wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/__1107… https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/**11073<https:…

so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info> <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info>>> wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**__index.php?title=Papal_____** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&____**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipe… <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**index.php?title=Papal___** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&__**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedi…

<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**index.php?title=Papal___** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&__**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedi… <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_** conclave,_2013&diff=prev&**oldid=538105382<https://en.wikipedia.…

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6:27 a.m.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:14:19 -0500, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:

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Note that we will still need "traditional" IW bots on non-Wikipedia projects for the foreseeable future. Cheers Yaroslav

Lydia Pintscher

11:18 a.m.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Bot owners on en:wp have been notified. I'm happy to work with you on a message to more of them. Let's do that off-list to keep the traffic down if you want. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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11:22 a.m.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:

When?

It was planned for the 27th but it looks like we will have to move it a few days because of a meeting at the WMF offices. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.

Latest update: planned for March 6th. I'll prepare a message to the village pumps of affected projects next. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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