My name is Rexford and I wish to be part of this Wikidata development.
Where do I fit, and how can I be part?
thanks.
Cheers Nkansah Rexford Wikimedia Ghana
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Wikimedia Ghana wikimediaghana@gmail.com wrote:
My name is Rexford and I wish to be part of this Wikidata development.
Where do I fit, and how can I be part?
thanks.
Hi Rexford!
I could use some help spreading the word about Wikidata in the African communities. Do you think you can help with that maybe? Or are you more interested in something else?
Cheers Lydia
Where we speak about foreign regions, would you also need some help in Spanish spoken countries?
Marco
Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de schrieb:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Wikimedia Ghana wikimediaghana@gmail.com wrote:
My name is Rexford and I wish to be part of this Wikidata
development.
Where do I fit, and how can I be part?
thanks.
Hi Rexford!
I could use some help spreading the word about Wikidata in the African communities. Do you think you can help with that maybe? Or are you more interested in something else?
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@gmail.com wrote:
Where we speak about foreign regions, would you also need some help in Spanish spoken countries?
Marco
More talking about Wikidata can't hurt :D
Cheers Lydia
On 2012-06-11 18:09, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@gmail.com wrote:
Where we speak about foreign regions, would you also need some help in Spanish spoken countries?
Marco
More talking about Wikidata can't hurt :D
Do we already have the Wikidata flyer in various languages? Otherwise I would look to get translations.
Marco
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@gmail.com wrote:
Do we already have the Wikidata flyer in various languages? Otherwise I would look to get translations.
The one we have is only available in English and German so far. If you'd want to translate it into Spanish that'd be awesome. Do you have the text? Do you need anything else?
Cheers Lydia
On 2012-06-12 19:25, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@gmail.com wrote:
Do we already have the Wikidata flyer in various languages? Otherwise I would look to get translations.
The one we have is only available in English and German so far. If you'd want to translate it into Spanish that'd be awesome. Do you have the text? Do you need anything else?
I took one of those flyers in Berlin if you meen this cyan one. My Spanish is not very good but fluent. Nevertheless I'd really like to translate it. Great chance to improve my skill. For sure I can find somebody to correct it. May you send me the text, that I have it on my computer to?
Marco
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@gmail.com wrote:
I took one of those flyers in Berlin if you meen this cyan one.
Yes that's the one I meant.
My Spanish is not very good but fluent. Nevertheless I'd really like to translate it. Great chance to improve my skill. For sure I can find somebody to correct it.
Cool. I am sure we can find someone to go over it once the basics are done.
May you send me the text, that I have it on my computer to?
I'll see if I can get it for you tomorrow.
Cheers Lydia
On 2012-06-12 21:04, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@gmail.com wrote:
I took one of those flyers in Berlin if you meen this cyan one.
Yes that's the one I meant.
My Spanish is not very good but fluent. Nevertheless I'd really like to translate it. Great chance to improve my skill. For sure I can find somebody to correct it.
Cool. I am sure we can find someone to go over it once the basics are done.
Not a problem. I have many amigos de Latioamerica but Spain as well.
May you send me the text, that I have it on my computer to?
I'll see if I can get it for you tomorrow.
Marco
On 12/06/12 21:17, Marco Fleckinger wrote:
On 2012-06-12 21:04, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Marco Fleckinger wrote:
I took one of those flyers in Berlin if you meen this cyan one.
Yes that's the one I meant.
My Spanish is not very good but fluent. Nevertheless I'd really like to translate it. Great chance to improve my skill. For sure I can find somebody to correct it.
Cool. I am sure we can find someone to go over it once the basics are done.
Not a problem. I have many amigos de Latioamerica but Spain as well.
There are native speakers in this list, too.
As many more translation offers will appear, the content of the fliers could be put into translatewiki, and the sentences translated there.
On 2012-06-12 23:12, Platonides wrote:
On 12/06/12 21:17, Marco Fleckinger wrote:
On 2012-06-12 21:04, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Marco Fleckinger wrote:
I took one of those flyers in Berlin if you meen this cyan one.
Yes that's the one I meant.
My Spanish is not very good but fluent. Nevertheless I'd really like to translate it. Great chance to improve my skill. For sure I can find somebody to correct it.
Cool. I am sure we can find someone to go over it once the basics are done.
Not a problem. I have many amigos de Latioamerica but Spain as well.
There are native speakers in this list, too.
I don't know anybody from this list, but of course there should. Therfore: May those could help me?
As many more translation offers will appear, the content of the fliers could be put into translatewiki, and the sentences translated there.
I didn't know anything about this project, therefore I created http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Marco74/%C3%BCbersetzungen/wikidata.
Marco
Hi,
I would like to know how you organize the testing process for the front-end? Where are the final users (the Wikipedia community) involved in this process?
Above all, I noticed that there was no response to the feedback I've given.
LG LB
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
I would like to know how you organize the testing process for the front-end? Where are the final users (the Wikipedia community) involved in this process?
We have a demo and there have been several calls for testing of said demo system. There will be more of these calls. Everyone is welcome to join this of course. We have published mock-ups and drafts that people were asked to comment on. We will have more of these as well. Do you have more ideas that I should consider?
Above all, I noticed that there was no response to the feedback I've given.
Hmm can you let me know where that was? This shouldn't happen.
Cheers Lydia
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
I would like to know how you organize the testing process for the front-end? Where are the final users (the Wikipedia community) involved in this process?
We have a demo and there have been several calls for testing of said demo system. There will be more of these calls. Everyone is welcome to join this of course. We have published mock-ups and drafts that people were asked to comment on. We will have more of these as well. Do you have more ideas that I should consider?
I see more than one open point to improve in the demo-system since i discovered the Demo a few weeks ago:
* The table-sorting should be the same in repo and client * * removing and re-add a link changes the order in the repo but not in the client * The feedback-dialogue behaves strange when clicking on "What is this?" (the width of the dialogue changes) * I have to write "Deutsch" into the laguage-textbox to add a link to the german wikipedia even if the demo-system-language is english * "specify site" may be changed to "language" and "specify page" to "article" * when crating a new item I have to click "add" before entering the first language-link * * the textboxes for adding a new link should not be hidden * it is not obvious how to edit a link without hovering the existing links * it is possible to edit more than one link but not to add more than one
I think you should test the Demo with real people. With people who are not involved in the develpment and haven't read or heard about the WikiData-Project.
* Show them the site, and see if they get it do they understand the purpose of the site, the value proposition, how its organized, how it works, and so on. * give them tasks to fulfill and watch them
Above all, I noticed that there was no response to the feedback I've given.
Hmm can you let me know where that was? This shouldn't happen.
I was referring to the feedback function of the demo site. I entered a mailadress, clicked "send" and nothing happened for about one week.
Maybe you can use the built-in discussion-page and not only the mailing-list.
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:28 AM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
I would like to know how you organize the testing process for the front-end? Where are the final users (the Wikipedia community) involved in this process?
We have a demo and there have been several calls for testing of said demo system. There will be more of these calls. Everyone is welcome to join this of course. We have published mock-ups and drafts that people were asked to comment on. We will have more of these as well. Do you have more ideas that I should consider?
I see more than one open point to improve in the demo-system since i discovered the Demo a few weeks ago:
Oh there are many points to improve still ;-) Thanks for testing. But I was more thinking of the testing process itself.
- The table-sorting should be the same in repo and client
You mean the way the table is sorted in the repo and the way the language links are sorted in the sidebar of the client? The sorting is being worked on still but I am not sure all Wikipedias can agree on one sorting so it might not be possible to have the same sorting in the repo and all clients.
- removing and re-add a link changes the order in the repo but not in
the client
Ok. See previous point.
- The feedback-dialogue behaves strange when clicking on "What is this?"
(the width of the dialogue changes)
Ok. To be honest I am not sure if we'll fix this but we'll see. It's noted.
- I have to write "Deutsch" into the laguage-textbox to add a link to the
german wikipedia even if the demo-system-language is english
I brought this up and it seems like a good idea indeed.
- "specify site" may be changed to "language" and "specify page" to "article"
Ok I'll file a bug for this.
- when crating a new item I have to click "add" before entering the first
language-link
Agreed. This is indeed odd at the moment. However later you will have more options to add data there. We'll have to see how this looks like with more fields later.
- the textboxes for adding a new link should not be hidden
Noted.
- it is not obvious how to edit a link without hovering the existing links
Yes. This is being reworked already.
- it is possible to edit more than one link but not to add more than one
Noted. It'll probably be changed to only allow one edit as well.
I think you should test the Demo with real people. With people who are not involved in the develpment and haven't read or heard about the WikiData-Project.
We are testing with real people with the demo who are not involved in the development. I have been to a few events now and showed it to people who have only gotten a short intro to Wikidata and then tried the demo. But your point is of course right. We will be posting a job add for a dedicated Q/A person in the next days. Watch this list for more info if you are interested.
- Show them the site, and see if they get it — do they understand the
purpose of the site, the value proposition, how it’s organized, how it works, and so on.
- give them tasks to fulfill and watch them
Above all, I noticed that there was no response to the feedback I've given.
Hmm can you let me know where that was? This shouldn't happen.
I was referring to the feedback function of the demo site. I entered a mailadress, clicked "send" and nothing happened for about one week.
Yes because the demo doesn't have email set up. I am checking the feedback we receive through the feedback system every few days.
Maybe you can use the built-in discussion-page and not only the mailing-list.
Unfortunately not because the demo will be reset every now and then and therefor information in there will be lost. However if you prefer a wiki for discussion then meta:Wikidata is a good place.
Cheers Lydia
FYI: Here's the two bugs I filed so they are not forgotten: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37542 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37543
Cheers Lydia
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:28 AM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
I would like to know how you organize the testing process for the front-end? Where are the final users (the Wikipedia community) involved in this process?
We have a demo and there have been several calls for testing of said demo system. There will be more of these calls. Everyone is welcome to join this of course. We have published mock-ups and drafts that people were asked to comment on. We will have more of these as well. Do you have more ideas that I should consider?
I see more than one open point to improve in the demo-system since i discovered the Demo a few weeks ago:
Oh there are many points to improve still ;-) Thanks for testing. But I was more thinking of the testing process itself.
sorry that i left the focus of my first question, i'll write more on that tomorrow ;)
- The table-sorting should be the same in repo and client
You mean the way the table is sorted in the repo and the way the language links are sorted in the sidebar of the client? The sorting is being worked on still but I am not sure all Wikipedias can agree on one sorting so it might not be possible to have the same sorting in the repo and all clients.
if there are different versions of the wikidata-frontent for every language the sort-order should be the same as in the related wikipedia
- removing and re-add a link changes the order in the repo but not in
the client
Ok. See previous point.
- The feedback-dialogue behaves strange when clicking on "What is this?"
(the width of the dialogue changes)
Ok. To be honest I am not sure if we'll fix this but we'll see. It's noted.
it's really simple: set the width of: mw-moodBar-overlayWhatContent to 300px in the css and the windowsize won't change.
- I have to write "Deutsch" into the laguage-textbox to add a link to
the german wikipedia even if the demo-system-language is english
I brought this up and it seems like a good idea indeed.
- "specify site" may be changed to "language" and "specify page" to
"article"
Ok I'll file a bug for this.
- when crating a new item I have to click "add" before entering the
first language-link
Agreed. This is indeed odd at the moment. However later you will have more options to add data there. We'll have to see how this looks like with more fields later.
- the textboxes for adding a new link should not be hidden
Noted.
- it is not obvious how to edit a link without hovering the existing
links
Yes. This is being reworked already.
- it is possible to edit more than one link but not to add more than one
Noted. It'll probably be changed to only allow one edit as well.
I think you should test the Demo with real people. With people who are not involved in the develpment and haven't read or heard about the WikiData-Project.
We are testing with real people with the demo who are not involved in the development. I have been to a few events now and showed it to people who have only gotten a short intro to Wikidata and then tried the demo. But your point is of course right. We will be posting a job add for a dedicated Q/A person in the next days. Watch this list for more info if you are interested.
- Show them the site, and see if they get it ? do they understand the
purpose of the site, the value proposition, how it?s organized, how it works, and so on.
- give them tasks to fulfill and watch them
Above all, I noticed that there was no response to the feedback I've given.
Hmm can you let me know where that was? This shouldn't happen.
I was referring to the feedback function of the demo site. I entered a mailadress, clicked "send" and nothing happened for about one week.
Yes because the demo doesn't have email set up. I am checking the feedback we receive through the feedback system every few days.
then you could remove the mail-question...
Maybe you can use the built-in discussion-page and not only the mailing-list.
Unfortunately not because the demo will be reset every now and then and therefor information in there will be lost. However if you prefer a wiki for discussion then meta:Wikidata is a good place.
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Oh there are many points to improve still ;-) Thanks for testing. But I was more thinking of the testing process itself.
sorry that i left the focus of my first question, i'll write more on that tomorrow ;)
Hehe no problem.
- The table-sorting should be the same in repo and client
You mean the way the table is sorted in the repo and the way the language links are sorted in the sidebar of the client? The sorting is being worked on still but I am not sure all Wikipedias can agree on one sorting so it might not be possible to have the same sorting in the repo and all clients.
if there are different versions of the wikidata-frontent for every language the sort-order should be the same as in the related wikipedia
They are not really different versions but translations of the interface. I will bring it up and see if your suggestions is possible.
- removing and re-add a link changes the order in the repo but not in
the client
Ok. See previous point.
- The feedback-dialogue behaves strange when clicking on "What is this?"
(the width of the dialogue changes)
Ok. To be honest I am not sure if we'll fix this but we'll see. It's noted.
it's really simple: set the width of: mw-moodBar-overlayWhatContent to 300px in the css and the windowsize won't change.
Oh. If it's that simple then I'll see if we can get it fixed of course ;-) Thx!
I was referring to the feedback function of the demo site. I entered a mailadress, clicked "send" and nothing happened for about one week.
Yes because the demo doesn't have email set up. I am checking the feedback we receive through the feedback system every few days.
then you could remove the mail-question...
Yeah I think there was a problem with that but I will ask again. (The whole thing is just a quick ugly hack on top of an existing extension that required the user to be logged in which we didn't want.)
Cheers Lydia
I read that you are developint with scrum and I wonder who fulfills the Customer- and the User-Roles... In my opinion the customers are either the Foundation or the Wikipedia-Community. The User is definitely not the Foundation and i don't think it's only the Community, everybody uses the wikipedia and will use wikidata in one way or another. To satisfy the needs of your customers and users you should present them the (tested!) product at least after every sprint. This should be easy, because the product is a webservice that should be easy to deploy and easy to test. You should test it with strangers instead of only wikipedians because someone who is involved in the wikipedia-community is used to the design, knows the bugs in mediawiki and where to click without thinking for a second.
It's more helpful to test with strangers. Show the page and ask what they think they can do, where they would click first. Then you could give them a task to complete, e.g. "add a link to elbonian wikipedia for the item of your choice" or "find the population of your hometown in 1973" and watch how they'll try to complete the task. You'll be supprised what they will think about the design and how much 'erros' and not intendet actions a inexperienced user will make to complete your tasks.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Oh there are many points to improve still ;-) Thanks for testing. But I was more thinking of the testing process itself.
sorry that i left the focus of my first question, i'll write more on that tomorrow ;)
Hehe no problem.
- The table-sorting should be the same in repo and client
You mean the way the table is sorted in the repo and the way the language links are sorted in the sidebar of the client? The sorting is being worked on still but I am not sure all Wikipedias can agree on one sorting so it might not be possible to have the same sorting in the repo and all clients.
if there are different versions of the wikidata-frontent for every language the sort-order should be the same as in the related wikipedia
They are not really different versions but translations of the interface. I will bring it up and see if your suggestions is possible.
the sort-order for any language has to be stored somewhere and could be read by wikidata...
for the german wikipedia the rules are here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Interwiki-Links_auf_der_Hauptseite
"Die Sprachen werden in der alphabetischen Reihenfolge ihrer Abkürzungen nach ISO639-1 in der Originalsprache und -schrift angegeben"
LB
- removing and re-add a link changes the order in the repo but not
in the client
Ok. See previous point.
- The feedback-dialogue behaves strange when clicking on "What is
this?" (the width of the dialogue changes)
Ok. To be honest I am not sure if we'll fix this but we'll see. It's noted.
it's really simple: set the width of: mw-moodBar-overlayWhatContent to 300px in the css and the windowsize won't change.
Oh. If it's that simple then I'll see if we can get it fixed of course ;-) Thx!
I was referring to the feedback function of the demo site. I entered a mailadress, clicked "send" and nothing happened for about one week.
Yes because the demo doesn't have email set up. I am checking the feedback we receive through the feedback system every few days.
then you could remove the mail-question...
Yeah I think there was a problem with that but I will ask again. (The whole thing is just a quick ugly hack on top of an existing extension that required the user to be logged in which we didn't want.)
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
I read that you are developint with scrum and I wonder who fulfills the Customer- and the User-Roles... In my opinion the customers are either the Foundation or the Wikipedia-Community. The User is definitely not the Foundation and i don't think it's only the Community, everybody uses the wikipedia and will use wikidata in one way or another. To satisfy the needs of your customers and users you should present them the (tested!) product at least after every sprint. This should be easy, because the product is a webservice that should be easy to deploy and easy to test.
Yes that is why we have a demo running at http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de ;-)
You should test it with strangers instead of only wikipedians because someone who is involved in the wikipedia-community is used to the design, knows the bugs in mediawiki and where to click without thinking for a second.
It's more helpful to test with strangers. Show the page and ask what they think they can do, where they would click first. Then you could give them a task to complete, e.g. "add a link to elbonian wikipedia for the item of your choice" or "find the population of your hometown in 1973" and watch how they'll try to complete the task. You'll be supprised what they will think about the design and how much 'erros' and not intendet actions a inexperienced user will make to complete your tasks.
Yes we are aware of that. That is one of the areas the QA person will help with. You also have to understand however that there are about 1000 things that we can do and that time is limited. Any testing and feedback is very welcome - even more so when we come to phase 2 where this will be so much more important.
Cheers Lydia
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
I read that you are developint with scrum and I wonder who fulfills the Customer- and the User-Roles... In my opinion the customers are either the Foundation or the Wikipedia-Community. The User is definitely not the Foundation and i don't think it's only the Community, everybody uses the wikipedia and will use wikidata in one way or another. To satisfy the needs of your customers and users you should present them the (tested!) product at least after every sprint. This should be easy, because the product is a webservice that should be easy to deploy and easy to test.
Yes that is why we have a demo running at http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de ;-)
I think you missunderstood what i wrote.
presenting != testing
You should test it with strangers instead of only wikipedians because someone who is involved in the wikipedia-community is used to the design, knows the bugs in mediawiki and where to click without thinking for a second.
It's more helpful to test with strangers. Show the page and ask what they think they can do, where they would click first. Then you could give them a task to complete, e.g. "add a link to elbonian wikipedia for the item of your choice" or "find the population of your hometown in 1973" and watch how they'll try to complete the task. You'll be supprised what they will think about the design and how much 'erros' and not intendet actions a inexperienced user will make to complete your tasks.
Yes we are aware of that. That is one of the areas the QA person will help with. You also have to understand however that there are about 1000 things that we can do and that time is limited. Any testing and feedback is very welcome - even more so when we come to phase 2 where this will be so much more important.
So you think that phase 1 is not important enough to properly test the usability?
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:13 AM, benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Yes that is why we have a demo running at http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de ;-)
I think you missunderstood what i wrote.
presenting != testing
Yes I know. As I said this will be one of the things the QA person will look into. Until then this is what we have. It is much better than nothing ;-)
You should test it with strangers instead of only wikipedians because someone who is involved in the wikipedia-community is used to the design, knows the bugs in mediawiki and where to click without thinking for a second.
It's more helpful to test with strangers. Show the page and ask what they think they can do, where they would click first. Then you could give them a task to complete, e.g. "add a link to elbonian wikipedia for the item of your choice" or "find the population of your hometown in 1973" and watch how they'll try to complete the task. You'll be supprised what they will think about the design and how much 'erros' and not intendet actions a inexperienced user will make to complete your tasks.
Yes we are aware of that. That is one of the areas the QA person will help with. You also have to understand however that there are about 1000 things that we can do and that time is limited. Any testing and feedback is very welcome - even more so when we come to phase 2 where this will be so much more important.
So you think that phase 1 is not important enough to properly test the usability?
No that is not what I said. I just said that it will be much more important in the second phase because the interactions there are much more complex.
Cheers Lydia
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
As many more translation offers will appear, the content of the fliers could be put into translatewiki, and the sentences translated there.
I am actually a bit warry of putting this into translatewiki because we will not be able to use all translations. We will have to relayout the flyer for new translations and then have it printed in a reasonably large number. I fear we can't do this for too many languages and I'd hate for people to translate the whole flyer without it ever being used.
Cheers Lydia
Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de schrieb:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
As many more translation offers will appear, the content of the
fliers
could be put into translatewiki, and the sentences translated there.
I am actually a bit warry of putting this into translatewiki because we will not be able to use all translations. We will have to relayout the flyer for new translations and then have it printed in a reasonably large number. I fear we can't do this for too many languages and I'd hate for people to translate the whole flyer without it ever being used.
So we should first try to find out if there is interest. But this is not WikiData-specific -- I think this is a general question for all print-media world wide. Just a suggestion: Let's provide all of this media on commons in the category Print-Media and a sub category with the title. Then everybody can be able to download and translate it. If a chapter needs this it can let it print for itself.
Marco
On 2012-06-12 21:04, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@gmail.com wrote:
I took one of those flyers in Berlin if you meen this cyan one.
Yes that's the one I meant.
My Spanish is not very good but fluent. Nevertheless I'd really like to translate it. Great chance to improve my skill. For sure I can find somebody to correct it.
Cool. I am sure we can find someone to go over it once the basics are done.
May you send me the text, that I have it on my computer to?
I'll see if I can get it for you tomorrow.
May I could have the German an the English one? I think German is native, but many of my friends do not understand German very well.
Marco