Hello,
My colleague Yves Raimond and myself were just having a quick chat about the Wikidata RDF serialisation plans.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/RDF
While the reification makes sense, we thought that it looked a bit too much like rdf:Statement.
w:Berlin s:Population Berlin:Statement1 .
Berlin:Statement1 rdf:type o:Statement .
Perhaps you could rename o:Statement to o:Fact instead?
nick.
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On 01.02.2013 14:54, Nicholas Humfrey wrote:
While the reification makes sense, we thought that it looked a bit too much like rdf:Statement.
w:Berlin s:Population Berlin:Statement1 .
Berlin:Statement1 rdf:type o:Statement .
Perhaps you could rename o:Statement to o:Fact instead?
But it's not a fact. It's a claim someone makes.
That may seem like a fine distinction, but it's really fundamental to understanding how Wikidata/Wikibase is different from DBpedia, Freebase, Cyc, etc.
Wikidata doesn't collect facts. It collects statements (sourced claims).
-- daniel
Hi - Where can i see the rdfs/owl definition for o:Statement?
thanks - john
On 01.02.2013 12:09, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
On
01.02.2013 14:54, Nicholas Humfrey wrote:
While the reification
makes sense, we thought that it looked a bit too much like rdf:Statement. w:Berlin s:Population Berlin:Statement1 . Berlin:Statement1 rdf:type o:Statement . Perhaps you could rename o:Statement to o:Fact instead?
But it's not a fact. It's a claim
someone makes.
That may seem like a fine distinction, but it's
really fundamental to
understanding how Wikidata/Wikibase is different
from DBpedia, Freebase, Cyc, etc.
Wikidata doesn't collect facts.
It collects statements (sourced claims).
-- daniel
never mind - the previous note had a link. thanks
On 01.02.2013 16:30, jmcclure@hypergrove.com wrote:
Hi - Where can i see the
rdfs/owl definition for o:Statement?
thanks - john
On
01.02.2013 12:09, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
On 01.02.2013 14:54,
Nicholas Humfrey wrote:
While the reification makes sense, we
thought that it looked a bit too much like rdf:Statement. w:Berlin s:Population Berlin:Statement1 . Berlin:Statement1 rdf:type o:Statement . Perhaps you could rename o:Statement to o:Fact instead?
But
it's not a fact. It's a claim someone makes.
That may seem like a
fine distinction, but it's really fundamental to
understanding how
Wikidata/Wikibase is different from DBpedia, Freebase, Cyc, etc.
Wikidata doesn't collect facts. It collects statements (sourced claims).
-- daniel
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We are reluctant, but open, to renaming it. But not to "Fact". Statement has the nice ambiguous quality regarding its correctness which Fact lacks.
On the other hand, the similarity to rdf:Statement is not merely syntactic, so I do not see too much of an issue here.
2013/2/1 Nicholas Humfrey nicholas.humfrey@bbc.co.uk
Hello,
My colleague Yves Raimond and myself were just having a quick chat about the Wikidata RDF serialisation plans.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/RDF
While the reification makes sense, we thought that it looked a bit too much like rdf:Statement.
w:Berlin s:Population Berlin:Statement1 .
Berlin:Statement1 rdf:type o:Statement .
Perhaps you could rename o:Statement to o:Fact instead?
nick.
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Thanks Denny,
Yes, I understand that o:Fact is an inaccurate name. I have been trying to think of an alternative to Statement (assertion, claim, declaration etc.) but can't think of anything better than Statement :)
It should be very clear that it is different to rdf:Statement with time.
nick.
On 04/02/2013 13:03, "Denny Vrandečić" denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de wrote:
We are reluctant, but open, to renaming it. But not to "Fact". Statement has the nice ambiguous quality regarding its correctness which Fact lacks.
On the other hand, the similarity to rdf:Statement is not merely syntactic, so I do not see too much of an issue here.
2013/2/1 Nicholas Humfrey nicholas.humfrey@bbc.co.uk
Hello,
My colleague Yves Raimond and myself were just having a quick chat about the Wikidata RDF serialisation plans.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/RDF
While the reification makes sense, we thought that it looked a bit too much like rdf:Statement.
w:Berlin s:Population Berlin:Statement1 .
Berlin:Statement1 rdf:type o:Statement .
Perhaps you could rename o:Statement to o:Fact instead?
nick.
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