Hey everyone :)
We've rolled out the first version of the ArticlePlaceholder on Esperanto, Haitian-Creole, Neapolitan and Odia Wikipedia. This worked well enough and we got useful feedback from the first rollout. Thank you! I want to plan the second round now. We'll do that in about 3 weeks. If your Wikipedia would like to have it in the next round please open a ticket on Phabricator with a link to the on-wiki discussion or let me know. There are a number of things we still want to work on in the next 3 weeks. They include: * Fixing some issues with the layout (broken identifier section when they are too long, issues with qualifiers for images, empty reference section that sometimes appears) * Making the search integration faster * Making language fallbacks work for properties * Adding a button to allow translating of the article in another language with the Content Translation tool
Cheers Lydia
Hi Lydia,
Great to see we're looking at round 2!
One thing I've been wondering about is properties. It might be useful to know which of these to prioritise in order to get a "minimally useful" AP interface - there are ~100 properties used more than a hundred thousand times, versus ~600 used less than ten :-). This might remove some of the most pressing requirement for property fallbacks.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListProperties shows local labels but is only in sequential order (and has some odd localisation bugs, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135045). There's a better list at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/a... - but this is only available in a few languages; and finally Wikidata Terminator does not cover properties.
Is there a SPARQL query or similar we can use to get "all the highly used properties which do not have a label in language XX"? I tried to compile one last week but I don't think I'm quite up to working it out...
Andrew.
On 18 May 2016 at 14:00, Lydia Pintscher Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hey everyone :)
We've rolled out the first version of the ArticlePlaceholder on Esperanto, Haitian-Creole, Neapolitan and Odia Wikipedia. This worked well enough and we got useful feedback from the first rollout. Thank you! I want to plan the second round now. We'll do that in about 3 weeks. If your Wikipedia would like to have it in the next round please open a ticket on Phabricator with a link to the on-wiki discussion or let me know. There are a number of things we still want to work on in the next 3 weeks. They include:
- Fixing some issues with the layout (broken identifier section when they
are too long, issues with qualifiers for images, empty reference section that sometimes appears)
- Making the search integration faster
- Making language fallbacks work for properties
- Adding a button to allow translating of the article in another language
with the Content Translation tool
Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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Hoi, When we already know what those properties are, we do not need to use SparQL we can use the result show the labels in their language. It is then just a matter of filling it in. Thanks, GerardM
PS We do have that list?
On 18 May 2016 at 18:40, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi Lydia,
Great to see we're looking at round 2!
One thing I've been wondering about is properties. It might be useful to know which of these to prioritise in order to get a "minimally useful" AP interface - there are ~100 properties used more than a hundred thousand times, versus ~600 used less than ten :-). This might remove some of the most pressing requirement for property fallbacks.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListProperties shows local labels but is only in sequential order (and has some odd localisation bugs, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135045). There's a better list at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/a...
- but this is only available in a few languages; and finally Wikidata
Terminator does not cover properties.
Is there a SPARQL query or similar we can use to get "all the highly used properties which do not have a label in language XX"? I tried to compile one last week but I don't think I'm quite up to working it out...
Andrew.
On 18 May 2016 at 14:00, Lydia Pintscher Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hey everyone :)
We've rolled out the first version of the ArticlePlaceholder on
Esperanto,
Haitian-Creole, Neapolitan and Odia Wikipedia. This worked well enough
and
we got useful feedback from the first rollout. Thank you! I want to plan the second round now. We'll do that in about 3 weeks. If
your
Wikipedia would like to have it in the next round please open a ticket on Phabricator with a link to the on-wiki discussion or let me know. There are a number of things we still want to work on in the next 3
weeks.
They include:
- Fixing some issues with the layout (broken identifier section when they
are too long, issues with qualifiers for images, empty reference section that sometimes appears)
- Making the search integration faster
- Making language fallbacks work for properties
- Adding a button to allow translating of the article in another language
with the Content Translation tool
Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter
der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:54 PM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, When we already know what those properties are, we do not need to use SparQL we can use the result show the labels in their language. It is then just a matter of filling it in. Thanks, GerardM
PS We do have that list?
SQID should help: https://tools.wmflabs.org/sqid/#/browse?type=properties There you can filter properties by number of usages and more.
Cheers Lydia
On 18.05.2016 21:42, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:54 PM Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, When we already know what those properties are, we do not need to use SparQL we can use the result show the labels in their language. It is then just a matter of filling it in. Thanks, GerardM PS We do have that list?SQID should help: https://tools.wmflabs.org/sqid/#/browse?type=properties There you can filter properties by number of usages and more.
Yes, but this part is not localised yet, so you cannot easily see the ones where a label in a specific language is missing. You can only see which ones are most used (in statements/qualifiers/references) by sorting along the appropriate dimension.
Cheers,
Markus
Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de http://www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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Hi Gerard,
The problem is knowing what labels we need to fill in :-). It would be good if we could say "we need the following 45 labels translated in your language" and have a nicely generated list for people to run through, for example, rather than have them peck around to find the ones that might be missing. Saves them worrying about localising "electric dipole moment" (P2201, used once) or "solved by" (P1136, used twice)...
I suppose "all the entries on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/T..." would be a decent first step, and that list does localise when you look at it.
Andrew.
On 18 May 2016 at 17:53, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, When we already know what those properties are, we do not need to use SparQL we can use the result show the labels in their language. It is then just a matter of filling it in. Thanks, GerardM
PS We do have that list?
On 18 May 2016 at 18:40, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi Lydia,
Great to see we're looking at round 2!
One thing I've been wondering about is properties. It might be useful to know which of these to prioritise in order to get a "minimally useful" AP interface - there are ~100 properties used more than a hundred thousand times, versus ~600 used less than ten :-). This might remove some of the most pressing requirement for property fallbacks.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListProperties shows local labels but is only in sequential order (and has some odd localisation bugs, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135045). There's a better list at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/a...
- but this is only available in a few languages; and finally Wikidata
Terminator does not cover properties.
Is there a SPARQL query or similar we can use to get "all the highly used properties which do not have a label in language XX"? I tried to compile one last week but I don't think I'm quite up to working it out...
Andrew.
On 18 May 2016 at 14:00, Lydia Pintscher Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hey everyone :)
We've rolled out the first version of the ArticlePlaceholder on Esperanto, Haitian-Creole, Neapolitan and Odia Wikipedia. This worked well enough and we got useful feedback from the first rollout. Thank you! I want to plan the second round now. We'll do that in about 3 weeks. If your Wikipedia would like to have it in the next round please open a ticket on Phabricator with a link to the on-wiki discussion or let me know. There are a number of things we still want to work on in the next 3 weeks. They include:
- Fixing some issues with the layout (broken identifier section when
they are too long, issues with qualifiers for images, empty reference section that sometimes appears)
- Making the search integration faster
- Making language fallbacks work for properties
- Adding a button to allow translating of the article in another
language with the Content Translation tool
Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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Hoi. The list that you show works for me and for any other language. It is the kind of effort you can ask of people. In this way you can have multiple lists and they show what is lacking :)
This is workable. Thanks, GerardM
On 18 May 2016 at 22:38, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi Gerard,
The problem is knowing what labels we need to fill in :-). It would be good if we could say "we need the following 45 labels translated in your language" and have a nicely generated list for people to run through, for example, rather than have them peck around to find the ones that might be missing. Saves them worrying about localising "electric dipole moment" (P2201, used once) or "solved by" (P1136, used twice)...
I suppose "all the entries on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/T... " would be a decent first step, and that list does localise when you look at it.
Andrew.
On 18 May 2016 at 17:53, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, When we already know what those properties are, we do not need to use
SparQL
we can use the result show the labels in their language. It is then just
a
matter of filling it in. Thanks, GerardM
PS We do have that list?
On 18 May 2016 at 18:40, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi Lydia,
Great to see we're looking at round 2!
One thing I've been wondering about is properties. It might be useful to know which of these to prioritise in order to get a "minimally useful" AP interface - there are ~100 properties used more than a hundred thousand times, versus ~600 used less than ten :-). This might remove some of the most pressing requirement for property fallbacks.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListProperties shows local labels but is only in sequential order (and has some odd localisation bugs, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135045). There's a better list at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/a...
- but this is only available in a few languages; and finally Wikidata
Terminator does not cover properties.
Is there a SPARQL query or similar we can use to get "all the highly used properties which do not have a label in language XX"? I tried to compile one last week but I don't think I'm quite up to working it out...
Andrew.
On 18 May 2016 at 14:00, Lydia Pintscher Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hey everyone :)
We've rolled out the first version of the ArticlePlaceholder on Esperanto, Haitian-Creole, Neapolitan and Odia Wikipedia. This worked well enough and we got useful feedback from the first rollout. Thank you! I want to plan the second round now. We'll do that in about 3 weeks.
If
your Wikipedia would like to have it in the next round please open a ticket on Phabricator with a link to the on-wiki discussion or let me know. There are a number of things we still want to work on in the next 3 weeks. They include:
- Fixing some issues with the layout (broken identifier section when
they are too long, issues with qualifiers for images, empty reference
section
that sometimes appears)
- Making the search integration faster
- Making language fallbacks work for properties
- Adding a button to allow translating of the article in another
language with the Content Translation tool
Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt
für
Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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