Hi,
I just stumbled upon this report http://moz.com/blog/the-day-the-knowledge-graph-exploded that tells that Google's use of its Knowledge Graph hast drastically increased from one day to the other. Does someone know, if this is related to WikiData in any way?! If not ... this reference to wider adoption of (semantic) data in the web is good news nevertheless.
cu, michael
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Michael Erdmann erdmann@diqa-pm.comwrote:
I just stumbled upon this report http://moz.com/blog/the-day-**the-knowledge-graph-explodedhttp://moz.com/blog/the-day-the-knowledge-graph-exploded that tells that Google's use of its Knowledge Graph hast drastically increased from one day to the other.
That's an interesting report, but it's not really talking about Knowledge Graph *use*, which is largely internal, but rather display of KG Cards in search results -- and primarily those search results which are of interest to SEOers. The comments are interesting to read as well, as the readers immediately pivot into how to SEO entities when pages become irrelevant.
Does someone know, if this is related to WikiData in any way?!
In a word, no. Google acquired Metaweb, the company that built Freebase, which forms the core of the Knowledge Graph in 2010. Metaweb was founded in 2005 (interesting Google search: "Metaweb founding") and started extracting information from Wikipedia into Freebase in 2006. https://www.freebase.com/m/0gw0?links&lang=en&historical=true
The first DBpedia release was in 2007. Semantic information nets go back to the 60s. TBL coined the term "semantic web" in 2006.
WikiData is a great project, but this progress has been building, excrutiatingly slowly, over decades. One could even make the argument that WikiData is the result of Knowledge Graph and its antecedents rather than the other way around.
Tom
Just a few corrections to the historical dates given by Tom.
2013/8/23 Tom Morris tfmorris@gmail.com
In a word, no. Google acquired Metaweb, the company that built Freebase, which forms the core of the Knowledge Graph in 2010. Metaweb was founded in 2005 (interesting Google search: "Metaweb founding") and started extracting information from Wikipedia into Freebase in 2006. https://www.freebase.com/m/0gw0?links&lang=en&historical=true
The first DBpedia release was in 2007. Semantic information nets go back to the 60s. TBL coined the term "semantic web" in 2006.
TBL coined the term "semantic web" at latest in 1994, probably even before (I don't have Weaving the Web at hand, but here are TBL's slides from the WWW conference in 1994: http://www.w3.org/Talks/WWW94Tim/)
WikiData is a great project, but this progress has been building, excrutiatingly slowly, over decades. One could even make the argument that WikiData is the result of Knowledge Graph and its antecedents rather than the other way around.
Wikidata is influenced by RDF (1999), OWL (2004), Semantic MediaWiki (2005), Freebase (2006), DBpedia (2007), Semantic Forms (2007), and many many other technologies that are less visible or don't have such a strong brand (and Michael is very aware of that history, he's been around years before working on the technologies these are based on).
I understand Michael's question to be much more concrete: does the progress in Wikidata has anything to do with the changes in the Knowledge Graph's visibility in Google's searches that happened last month?
Cheers, Denny
Tom
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On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de> wrote:
I understand Michael's question to be much more concrete: does the progress in Wikidata has anything to do with the changes in the Knowledge Graph's visibility in Google's searches that happened last month?
So, what's your opinion?
Tom
Oh, that's a clear and loud "I have no idea" :)
2013/8/23 Tom Morris tfmorris@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de> wrote:
I understand Michael's question to be much more concrete: does the progress in Wikidata has anything to do with the changes in the Knowledge Graph's visibility in Google's searches that happened last month?
So, what's your opinion?
Tom
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Oh I guess he has an idea, but he can't prove it! ;)
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de wrote:
Oh, that's a clear and loud "I have no idea" :)
2013/8/23 Tom Morris tfmorris@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de wrote:
I understand Michael's question to be much more concrete: does the progress in Wikidata has anything to do with the changes in the Knowledge Graph's visibility in Google's searches that happened last month?
So, what's your opinion?
Tom
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On 8/23/13 10:10 AM, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
TBL coined the term "semantic web" at latest in 1994, probably even before (I don't have Weaving the Web at hand, but here are TBL's slides from the WWW conference in 1994: http://www.w3.org/Talks/WWW94Tim/)
Fact of the matter is that the original design of the Web was always about a Semantic Web of Interlinked Data that would manifest as a Giant Global Graph accessible via Internet [1][2] :-)
Links:
1. http://www.nic.funet.fi/index/FUNET/history/internet/w3c/Image1.gif -- original diagram illustrating the concept 2. http://bit.ly/10Y9FL1 -- tweaked version of original WWW proposal diagram with de-referencable URIs anchoring the literal identifiers that denote links/relations. 3. http://bit.ly/16EVFVG -- venn showing what ended up being conflated as a result of Semantic Web Project related problems (too many) 4. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/215 -- Giant Global Graph post.
On 8/23/13 9:53 AM, Tom Morris wrote:
In a word, no. Google acquired Metaweb, the company that built Freebase, which forms the core of the Knowledge Graph in 2010. Metaweb was founded in 2005 (interesting Google search: "Metaweb founding") and started extracting information from Wikipedia into Freebase in 2006. https://www.freebase.com/m/0gw0?links&lang=en&historical=true
The first DBpedia release was in 2007. Semantic information nets go back to the 60s. TBL coined the term "semantic web" in 2006.
Freebase and DBpedia started around the same time. DBpedia just had its coming out party at WWW 2007 in Banff.
FWIW -- the projects started around the same time.
*Denny Vrandečić* denny.vrandecic at wikimedia.de mailto:wikidata-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikidata-l%5D%20The%20Day%20the%20Knowledge%20Graph%20Exploded&In-Reply-To=%3CCANnnRRtnWcc9%3Dnccj%2BBANW9y0JnxpNQabFoOJ5fVd5i7eRvMdw%40mail.gmail.com%3E /Fri Aug 23 14:10:45 UTC 2013/
Just a few corrections to the historical dates given by Tom.
2013/8/23 Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l>
/ WikiData is a great project, but this progress has been building,
/>/ excrutiatingly slowly, over decades. One could even make the argument that />/ WikiData is the result of Knowledge Graph and its antecedents rather than />/ the other way around. />/ // /Wikidata is influenced by RDF (1999), OWL (2004), Semantic MediaWiki (2005), Freebase (2006), DBpedia (2007), Semantic Forms (2007), and many many other technologies that are less visible or don't have such a strong brand (and Michael is very aware of that history, he's been around years before working on the technologies these are based on).
I understand Michael's question to be much more concrete: does the progress in Wikidata has anything to do with the changes in the Knowledge Graph's visibility in Google's searches that happened last month?
Correct, my question was about, whether data from WikiData has made it into the Knowledge Graph and now becomes visible to users.
And it only occurs to me now: Denny, did you join Google, yet? Maybe on July 19th? ;)
cu, michael
Cheers, Denny