Hi folks,
I do lots of edits related to artworks. Many artworks (and, I assume, many other things) are dated in the following ways:
1. 'between 1850 and 1899’ - on Wikidata that could be ’18. century’ (yep, needs to be written like that) with qualifiers start date and end date ? 2. ‘between 1784 and 1787’ - on Wikidata ‘1780s’ with qualifiers? 3. ‘between 1878 and 1904 - on Wikidata... eeeehm?
I was wondering: can’t we express this without needing any qualifiers at all?
We can enter units as ‘320 cm plus/minus 7 cm’, right? Might we also be able to say ‘1898 plus/minus six years’?
I can imagine we’d then also have an interface that helps you enter a ‘between date x and date y’ elegantly without needing to do any math.
Or would that not be possible? I think it would be great to have, as it would make our dating conceptually much more accurate IMO.
Curious what others think. Best, Sandra (User:Spinster)
p.s. On Commons we have an {{Other date}} template that’s used very frequently, that allows rich time/date expressions, and that I really love. Here’s the documentation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Other_date https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Other_date
Besides this ‘between’ concept, it also has, among other things * before (date) or after (date) - also very common! * seasons - you can say ‘Spring 1986’ * first/last half/quarter (year, decade, century) etc Some might not be translatable to a period as I suggested above, but some may.
Hi Sandra,
For between dates, we have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1319 (earliest date) and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1326 (latest date) as qualifiers. You can set the claim itself on century or whatever then. You can also use P1326 for before dates, I think. Seasons is another thing, I think we need a new property for that. Same for quarters.
But I agree, it should be great if this was integrated more. Showing better suggestions before saving is another thing that could help.
Greetings,
Sjoerd
Op 18 jan. 2016, om 22:03 heeft Sandra Fauconnier sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:
Hi folks,
I do lots of edits related to artworks. Many artworks (and, I assume, many other things) are dated in the following ways:
- 'between 1850 and 1899’ - on Wikidata that could be ’18. century’ (yep, needs to be written like that) with qualifiers start date and end date ?
- ‘between 1784 and 1787’ - on Wikidata ‘1780s’ with qualifiers?
- ‘between 1878 and 1904 - on Wikidata... eeeehm?
I was wondering: can’t we express this without needing any qualifiers at all?
We can enter units as ‘320 cm plus/minus 7 cm’, right? Might we also be able to say ‘1898 plus/minus six years’?
I can imagine we’d then also have an interface that helps you enter a ‘between date x and date y’ elegantly without needing to do any math.
Or would that not be possible? I think it would be great to have, as it would make our dating conceptually much more accurate IMO.
Curious what others think. Best, Sandra (User:Spinster)
p.s. On Commons we have an {{Other date}} template that’s used very frequently, that allows rich time/date expressions, and that I really love. Here’s the documentation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Other_date https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Other_date
Besides this ‘between’ concept, it also has, among other things
- before (date) or after (date) - also very common!
- seasons - you can say ‘Spring 1986’
- first/last half/quarter (year, decade, century) etc
Some might not be translatable to a period as I suggested above, but some may.
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Hi Sandra, Sjoerd and Wikidatans,
In what ways would it be possible to add particular place qualifiers/claims/properties (incorporating Wikidata Geodata) to be linked with new time claims you suggest such as seasons or quarters ... for eventual use in an eventual film-realistic, 3D, interactive, group-build-able wiki virtual earth?
Greetings, Scott
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Sjoerd de Bruin sjoerddebruin@me.com wrote:
Hi Sandra,
For between dates, we have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1319 (earliest date) and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1326 (latest date) as qualifiers. You can set the claim itself on century or whatever then. You can also use P1326 for before dates, I think. Seasons is another thing, I think we need a new property for that. Same for quarters.
But I agree, it should be great if this was integrated more. Showing better suggestions before saving is another thing that could help.
Greetings,
Sjoerd
Op 18 jan. 2016, om 22:03 heeft Sandra Fauconnier < sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
Hi folks,
I do lots of edits related to artworks. Many artworks (and, I assume, many other things) are dated in the following ways:
- 'between 1850 and 1899’ - on Wikidata that could be ’18. century’ (yep,
needs to be written like that) with qualifiers start date and end date ? 2. ‘between 1784 and 1787’ - on Wikidata ‘1780s’ with qualifiers? 3. ‘between 1878 and 1904 - on Wikidata... eeeehm?
I was wondering: can’t we express this without needing any qualifiers at all?
We can enter units as ‘320 cm plus/minus 7 cm’, right? Might we also be able to say ‘1898 plus/minus six years’?
I can imagine we’d then also have an interface that helps you enter a ‘between date x and date y’ elegantly without needing to do any math.
Or would that not be possible? I think it would be great to have, as it would make our dating conceptually much more accurate IMO.
Curious what others think. Best, Sandra (User:Spinster)
p.s. On Commons we have an {{Other date}} template that’s used very frequently, that allows rich time/date expressions, and that I really love. Here’s the documentation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Other_date
Besides this ‘between’ concept, it also has, among other things
- before (date) or after (date) - also very common!
- seasons - you can say ‘Spring 1986’
- first/last half/quarter (year, decade, century) etc
Some might not be translatable to a period as I suggested above, but some may.
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
I am interested in this topic, spatiotemporal definition of places.
Can we set up a task force that would collect best practices and see if something is missing in Wikidata for describing historical places?
There are several academic projects that can contribute to this. - Finnish spatiotemporal ontology SAPO http://seco.cs.aalto.fi/ontologies/sapo/ - Wikidata as a gazetteer / Humphrey Southall / PastPlace https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/From_Wikidata_to_a_global_historical_gazetteer:_Pelagios_and_PastPlace - TopoTime / Karl Grossner, Elijah Meeks https://github.com/kgeographer/Topotime - Pelagios 3 http://pelagios-project.blogspot.com
and there are many more
Best, Susanna
2016-01-19 19:54 GMT+02:00 Info WorldUniversity < info@worlduniversityandschool.org>:
Hi Sandra, Sjoerd and Wikidatans,
In what ways would it be possible to add particular place qualifiers/claims/properties (incorporating Wikidata Geodata) to be linked with new time claims you suggest such as seasons or quarters ... for eventual use in an eventual film-realistic, 3D, interactive, group-build-able wiki virtual earth?
Greetings, Scott
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Sjoerd de Bruin sjoerddebruin@me.com wrote:
Hi Sandra,
For between dates, we have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1319 (earliest date) and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1326 (latest date) as qualifiers. You can set the claim itself on century or whatever then. You can also use P1326 for before dates, I think. Seasons is another thing, I think we need a new property for that. Same for quarters.
But I agree, it should be great if this was integrated more. Showing better suggestions before saving is another thing that could help.
Greetings,
Sjoerd
Op 18 jan. 2016, om 22:03 heeft Sandra Fauconnier < sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
Hi folks,
I do lots of edits related to artworks. Many artworks (and, I assume, many other things) are dated in the following ways:
- 'between 1850 and 1899’ - on Wikidata that could be ’18. century’
(yep, needs to be written like that) with qualifiers start date and end date ? 2. ‘between 1784 and 1787’ - on Wikidata ‘1780s’ with qualifiers? 3. ‘between 1878 and 1904 - on Wikidata... eeeehm?
I was wondering: can’t we express this without needing any qualifiers at all?
We can enter units as ‘320 cm plus/minus 7 cm’, right? Might we also be able to say ‘1898 plus/minus six years’?
I can imagine we’d then also have an interface that helps you enter a ‘between date x and date y’ elegantly without needing to do any math.
Or would that not be possible? I think it would be great to have, as it would make our dating conceptually much more accurate IMO.
Curious what others think. Best, Sandra (User:Spinster)
p.s. On Commons we have an {{Other date}} template that’s used very frequently, that allows rich time/date expressions, and that I really love. Here’s the documentation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Other_date
Besides this ‘between’ concept, it also has, among other things
- before (date) or after (date) - also very common!
- seasons - you can say ‘Spring 1986’
- first/last half/quarter (year, decade, century) etc
Some might not be translatable to a period as I suggested above, but some may.
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