This may be a question that has been asked before, but why not make Google site search more prominent and so the wikidata search can go into beta mode?
James On Apr 19, 2013 1:01 PM, wikidata-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
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- Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! (Lydia Pintscher)
- Re: Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! (Dario Taraborelli)
- Re: Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! (Daniel Kinzler)
- Re: Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! (Denny Vrandečić)
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:26:23 +0200 From: Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de To: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikidata-l] Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! Message-ID: <CABfqUg+8RNHwuB6W+jFNq6_3c5UTO+jgjNM=zRVvX7Y=_ ieiDg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Heya folks :)
We have just deployed qualifiers ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Data_model_primer#Qualifiers ) and bug fixes on wikidata.org. Qualifiers! Bug fixes are especially for Internet Explorer 8. Please let me know how it is working for you now if you're using IE8 and if there are still any major problems when using Wikidata with it.
In addition the script we ran on the database to make search case-insensitive has finished running. This should be another huge step towards a nice search here. (This change also affects the autocomplete for items and properties.)
As usual please let me know what you think and tell me if there are any issues.
Cheers Lydia
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:48:08 -0700 From: Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org To: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! Message-ID: 063B13DB-AA2F-4660-AA3C-F3F5E4BA2B0D@wikimedia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hi Lydia and all,
great to hear about this deployment, I am particularly excited about qualifier support (as per my previous post).
Since you also mention improvements to search, I was wondering whether you had specific plans for work on search functionality. Unless I use the Items by title page, if type "Berlin" in a regular search form the item I am actually looking for (Q64) is ranked #34 in the search results (i.e. three clicks away on the "more" link).
I'd be curious to hear the team's thoughts on how to make search more effective and user friendly.
Dario
On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
Heya folks :)
We have just deployed qualifiers (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Data_model_primer#Qualifiers )
and bug fixes on wikidata.org. Qualifiers! Bug fixes are especially for Internet Explorer 8. Please let me know how it is working for you now if you're using IE8 and if there are still any major problems when using Wikidata with it.
In addition the script we ran on the database to make search case-insensitive has finished running. This should be another huge step towards a nice search here. (This change also affects the autocomplete for items and properties.)
As usual please let me know what you think and tell me if there are any
issues.
Cheers Lydia
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:14:47 +0200 From: Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de To: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! Message-ID: 5170FCF7.3020908@wikimedia.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On 19.04.2013 01:48, Dario Taraborelli wrote:
Since you also mention improvements to search, I was wondering whether
you
had specific plans for work on search functionality. Unless I use the
Items
by title page, if type "Berlin" in a regular search form the item I am actually looking for (Q64) is ranked #34 in the search results (i.e.
three
clicks away on the "more" link).
The "improved search" (read: case-insensitive lookup) applies to ItemByTitle, the top-right search box suggestions, and autocompletion when entering item references.
The full text search is as broken as ever. There are two reasons for this:
a) rebuilding the imdex from a dump is simply broken for wikidata. It will cause raw JSON to be indexed, with horrible results (see bug 45983). This means that a lot of "old" items (that havn't been edited since mid february) are not indexed correctly.
b) even for stuff indexed correctly (because it's indexed by mediawiki itself), the search isn't great, because it's optimized for wikitext, relying on wikilinks etc for ranking.
I don't see a way to fix this with the current Lucene infrastructure. We have been experimenting with Solr, but as far as I know, there is no roadmap for integrating Wikibase specific Solr search with the MediaWiki search page. It's on the list, but there are no concrete plans yet.
-- daniel
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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:00:24 +0200 From: Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de To: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Qualifiers, bug fixes, improved search - all in one night! Message-ID: <CANnnRRtHORvVRQ7v7w-nXj= 6b2u6X_AggtNc_YO39C9YRs9s6Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hey Dario,
there is on simple fix we want to apply rather sooner than later, which is to use the number of language links for ranking. This should work rather well. The thing is that this is kinda hard to implement in MySQL, I figured, and that we would need to use something Lucene based (probably Solr) for that. The Solr extension is quite far, but we currently are not working on getting it deployed. In short, it's all in the pipes, and it just takes a bit...
Cheers, Denny
2013/4/19 Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org
Hi Lydia and all,
great to hear about this deployment, I am particularly excited about qualifier support (as per my previous post).
Since you also mention improvements to search, I was wondering whether
you
had specific plans for work on search functionality. Unless I use the Items by title page, if type "Berlin" in a regular search form the item I am actually looking for (Q64) is ranked #34 in the search results (i.e. three clicks away on the "more" link).
I'd be curious to hear the team's thoughts on how to make search more effective and user friendly.
Dario
On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de>
wrote:
Heya folks :)
We have just deployed qualifiers (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Data_model_primer#Qualifiers
)
and bug fixes on wikidata.org. Qualifiers! Bug fixes are especially for Internet Explorer 8. Please let me know how it is working for you now if you're using IE8 and if there are still any major problems when using Wikidata with it.
In addition the script we ran on the database to make search case-insensitive has finished running. This should be another huge step towards a nice search here. (This change also affects the autocomplete for items and properties.)
As usual please let me know what you think and tell me if there are any
issues.
Cheers Lydia
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