Hello Lane, yes, I am interested in joining a discussion about citation structure and use of it in wikidata, but I am not the right person who can say something about the future of citations and Wikidata (except my wishes on this topic).
This weekend I tried to make a citation/source for the point in time of blindness of Johann Sebastian Bach on Wikidata. The point in time can be seen then on the Reasonator (http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339), the source is not displayed there but can be found in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1339 (statement - medical condition – blindness – 1750 – source – stated in The Eyes of Johann Sebastian Bach https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15947415). The author has to be an own wikidata item: Richard H.C. Zegers (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15948328).
The citation I made in Wikidata does exist also in the German Wikipedia about „Starstich“ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starstich. So the next logical step would be, that this citation could be used in the German Wikipedia with linking it to Wikidata (and in every other wikipedia, etc. of course).
If this is already possible, and how – I don´t know, but I am interested in it and I would like to join the discussion.
Sincerely yours, Edgar
Lane Rasberry schrieb:
Hello.
Is there anyone here who would like to join a discussion on English Wikipedia about citation structure? Some of us at WikiProject Medicine would like to meet anyone in the Wikidata community who could say something about the future of citations and Wikidata.
At WikiProject Medicine we coordinate translation and reuse a lot of citations, and also do more review of sources than most other Wikimedia
communities. Because of this, we are talking about deprecating template:cite PMID, template cite doi, and by extension Citation bot. While the problems people are experiencing are serious, I had the idea that Wikidata would eventually address a lot of citation problems but I do not know when that would be. If no one has plans then we at WikiProject Medicine will work for a quick solution now, but if there are plans, we
would like to hear thoughts from anyone thinking about this.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine# Replace_.22cite_pmid.22_with_.22cite_journal.22
Thanks to anyone who can comment, even if just to say that you know nothing about this and know no one working on Wikidata citations. We just wanted to seek feedback before we made great changes.
yours,
-- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 lane@bluerasberry.com
Hi all, Some time ago there was an RFC on Wikidata about supporting Wikipedia sources [1]. The outcome was positive, the only thing blocking any further advance is, as Thomas pointed out, that the arbitrary access of items is still not available [2].
About the "cite pmid" templates, I think it doesn't matter much from the Wikidata POV. There will be an item representing each source and it will contain all associated external identifiers (doi, pmid, etc), it will not matter which one you use to find it.
Cheers, Micru
[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Source_items_and... [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM, edgar.hagenbichler@hagenbichler.at wrote:
Hello Lane, yes, I am interested in joining a discussion about citation structure and use of it in wikidata, but I am not the right person who can say something about the future of citations and Wikidata (except my wishes on this topic).
This weekend I tried to make a citation/source for the point in time of blindness of Johann Sebastian Bach on Wikidata. The point in time can be seen then on the Reasonator (http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339), the source is not displayed there but can be found in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1339 (statement - medical condition - blindness - 1750 - source - stated in The Eyes of Johann Sebastian Bach https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15947415 ). The author has to be an own wikidata item: Richard H.C. Zegers (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15948328).
The citation I made in Wikidata does exist also in the German Wikipedia about "Starstich" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starstich. So the next logical step would be, that this citation could be used in the German Wikipedia with linking it to Wikidata (and in every other wikipedia, etc. of course).
If this is already possible, and how - I don´t know, but I am interested in it and I would like to join the discussion.
Sincerely yours, Edgar
Lane Rasberry schrieb:
Hello.
Is there anyone here who would like to join a discussion on English Wikipedia about citation structure? Some of us at WikiProject Medicine would like to meet anyone in the Wikidata community who could say something about the future of citations and Wikidata.
At WikiProject Medicine we coordinate translation and reuse a lot of citations, and also do more review of sources than most other Wikimedia
communities. Because of this, we are talking about deprecating template:cite PMID, template cite doi, and by extension Citation bot. While the problems people are experiencing are serious, I had the idea that Wikidata would eventually address a lot of citation problems but I do not know when that would be. If no one has plans then we at WikiProject Medicine will work for a quick solution now, but if there are plans, we
would like to hear thoughts from anyone thinking about this.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine# Replace_.22cite_pmid.22_with_.22cite_journal.22
Thanks to anyone who can comment, even if just to say that you know nothing about this and know no one working on Wikidata citations. We just wanted to seek feedback before we made great changes.
yours,
-- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 lane@bluerasberry.com
Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Obviously I cannot speak for the development team, but my observation has been that the development schedule for Wikidata is rather malleable. I can't be sure because I don't remember having ever seen a formal order of development/deployment priorities, but I believe that things have been bumped up and down in the priorities order based on community request. If the ability to access Wikidata data directly - like this task would require - is something that has broad support, I would certainly encourage you to gather that support in one place and present it to the Wikidata community and the development team.
Much like every Wikipedia article exists because someone decided that the subject matter was important enough to warrant them writing article on it, every feature (and piece of information) on Wikidata is there because someone decided that it was important enough to add.
Sven On Mar 17, 2014 4:05 PM, "David Cuenca" dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, Some time ago there was an RFC on Wikidata about supporting Wikipedia sources [1]. The outcome was positive, the only thing blocking any further advance is, as Thomas pointed out, that the arbitrary access of items is still not available [2].
About the "cite pmid" templates, I think it doesn't matter much from the Wikidata POV. There will be an item representing each source and it will contain all associated external identifiers (doi, pmid, etc), it will not matter which one you use to find it.
Cheers, Micru
[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Source_items_and... [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM, edgar.hagenbichler@hagenbichler.atwrote:
Hello Lane, yes, I am interested in joining a discussion about citation structure and use of it in wikidata, but I am not the right person who can say something about the future of citations and Wikidata (except my wishes on this topic).
This weekend I tried to make a citation/source for the point in time of blindness of Johann Sebastian Bach on Wikidata. The point in time can be seen then on the Reasonator (http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339), the source is not displayed there but can be found in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1339 (statement - medical condition - blindness - 1750 - source - stated in The Eyes of Johann Sebastian Bach https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15947415 ). The author has to be an own wikidata item: Richard H.C. Zegers (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15948328).
The citation I made in Wikidata does exist also in the German Wikipedia about "Starstich" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starstich. So the next logical step would be, that this citation could be used in the German Wikipedia with linking it to Wikidata (and in every other wikipedia, etc. of course).
If this is already possible, and how - I don´t know, but I am interested in it and I would like to join the discussion.
Sincerely yours, Edgar
Lane Rasberry schrieb:
Hello.
Is there anyone here who would like to join a discussion on English Wikipedia about citation structure? Some of us at WikiProject Medicine would like to meet anyone in the Wikidata community who could say something about the future of citations and Wikidata.
At WikiProject Medicine we coordinate translation and reuse a lot of citations, and also do more review of sources than most other Wikimedia
communities. Because of this, we are talking about deprecating template:cite PMID, template cite doi, and by extension Citation bot. While the problems people are experiencing are serious, I had the idea that Wikidata would eventually address a lot of citation problems but I do not know when that would be. If no one has plans then we at WikiProject Medicine will work for a quick solution now, but if there are plans, we
would like to hear thoughts from anyone thinking about this.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine# Replace_.22cite_pmid.22_with_.22cite_journal.22
Thanks to anyone who can comment, even if just to say that you know nothing about this and know no one working on Wikidata citations. We just wanted to seek feedback before we made great changes.
yours,
-- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 lane@bluerasberry.com
Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.com wrote:
Obviously I cannot speak for the development team, but my observation has been that the development schedule for Wikidata is rather malleable. I can't
Correct :)
be sure because I don't remember having ever seen a formal order of development/deployment priorities, but I believe that things have been
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan
bumped up and down in the priorities order based on community request. If the ability to access Wikidata data directly - like this task would require
- is something that has broad support, I would certainly encourage you to
gather that support in one place and present it to the Wikidata community and the development team.
Much like every Wikipedia article exists because someone decided that the subject matter was important enough to warrant them writing article on it, every feature (and piece of information) on Wikidata is there because someone decided that it was important enough to add.
Arbitrary access is currently at position 8 in the above plan. Given that we've already started working on basically everything before it I don't think we can bump it up a lot more tbh.
Cheers Lydia