Heya folks :)
Sorry I completely forgot to also send an email here yesterday night. The first parts of phase 2 are now live on wikidata.org. More details are in this blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/04/first-parts-of-phase-2-of-wikidata-going...
Cheers Lydia
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On 05/02/2013 09:56, "Lydia Pintscher" lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
Heya folks :)
Sorry I completely forgot to also send an email here yesterday night. The first parts of phase 2 are now live on wikidata.org. More details are in this blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/04/first-parts-of-phase-2-of-wikidata-goi ng-live/
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?
Thanks,
nick.
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey nicholas.humfrey@bbc.co.uk wrote:
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
Thank you!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?
I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.
Cheers Lydia
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Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey nicholas.humfrey@bbc.co.uk wrote:
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
Thank you!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?
I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.
About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political role" category.
Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
Cheers Mathieu
Hi:
As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género", the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)
Is it any bug or feature?
Regards
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
nicholas.humfrey@bbc.co.uk wrote:
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
Thank you!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?
I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.
About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political role" category.
Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
Cheers Mathieu -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/
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Hi,
On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote:
Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es
If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially):
"Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is associated with language code 'es'."
Cheers,
Marco
ops, I forgot translate it!... thanks!
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Marco Fleckinger < marco.fleckinger@wikipedia.at> wrote:
Hi,
On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote:
Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es
If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially):
"Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is associated with language code 'es'."
Cheers,
Marco
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This two words are identical in Hungarian, too.
2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar dennis.tobar@gmail.com
Hi:
As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género", the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)
--
Bináris
It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered to be unacceptable usability-wise).
That is why we decided that property labels need to be unique (per language). If there are better ways to solve that problem, we are all ears.
Cheers, Denny
2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar dennis.tobar@gmail.com
Hi:
As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género", the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)
Is it any bug or feature?
Regards
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
nicholas.humfrey@bbc.co.uk wrote:
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
Thank you!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?
I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.
About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political role" category.
Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
Cheers Mathieu -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/
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Do'h... I understand the problem, but I can't think how solve the problem... maybe we translate "gender" as "género" and "genus" as "género taxonomico" (adding a word): isn't a beautiful way to solve the problem, but it's a good way to keep the same idea of "unique property name".
Cheers
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de> wrote:
It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered to be unacceptable usability-wise).
That is why we decided that property labels need to be unique (per language). If there are better ways to solve that problem, we are all ears.
Cheers, Denny
2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar dennis.tobar@gmail.com
Hi:
As we know, two properties may have the same "name". In Spanish we call "género" to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as "género", the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta "género" asociada con el código de idioma es)
Is it any bug or feature?
Regards
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
nicholas.humfrey@bbc.co.uk wrote:
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
Thank you!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined?
I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item.
About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a "political role" category.
Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
Cheers Mathieu -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/
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