On 04.06.2015 11:05, Dimitris Kontokostas wrote:
We are currently working on something that could be extended to be used as a source of finding data conflicts / import. I have to check if this can be integrated with the primary sources tool. I hope we have something ready in the next couple of weeks and I'll get back at this thread.
Great, this sounds like a plan. The work on the primary sources tool will take a few more months before it will really be ready for prime time. If this is too long, there might be more short-term solutions (such as a Wikidata game), but you'd have to ask the people running this in each case.
Another question: can DBpedia extract references from Wikipedia articles too? If this would be possible, it might be feasible to guess and suggest a reference (or a list of references). Especially with things like date of death, one would expect that references have a publication date very close to (but strictly after) the event, which could narrow down the choices very much.
Cheers,
Markus
Best, Dimitris
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, Markus with all due respect, we have a LOT of data in Wikidata that is plain wrong. When we add the missing data from DBpedia it is of a higher quality than what we have. Insisting that it first needs to be validated is foolish. It is not done for any of the work we do. All our bots make use of Wikipedia and in this DBpedia is no different. I do agree that it makes sense to verify the data that is different. But even so. When Wikidata says 1929 and DBpedia says 7-June-1929 our practise has been to remove the 1929 for the more precise data. Let us be pragmatic and improve our data and start with what is missing. Thanks, GerardM On 4 June 2015 at 10:31, Markus Krötzsch <markus@semantic-mediawiki.org <mailto:markus@semantic-mediawiki.org>> wrote: Hi Dmitris, Interesting situation. If you have contradictory data from several templates, then the challenge will be to find out which information is correct for importing it to Wikidata. Could your dataset maybe become an input to the primary sources tool [1]? Then Wikidata users could help to clean the dataset and try to find references (as you know, references are quite important for Wikidata, but it would really be asking too much of DBpedia to provide these). This could be a viable strategy to merge DBpedia data into Wikidata. This email was only about person-related data, but one could do this for any kind of dataset where the information in DBpedia is of relatively high quality. I don't know exactly what the primary sources tool needs as input (it is still beta), but I think it mainly requires that a decent quality set of candidate statements is extracted and provided in some suitable format. As a first step, it might make sense to do a scan to see how many date-of-death (or whatever) statements in DBpedia are not yet found in Wikidata. If it is a small dataset (e.g., only a subset of the people who have died in the last year), then maybe one could also add and verify it in another way, not going through primary sources. But especially for recent deaths, there might be a great variety of sources (esp. newspaper articles) that are not easy to find without user support. Regards, Markus [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Primary_sources_tool On 04.06.2015 09 <tel:04.06.2015%2009>:56, Dimitris Kontokostas wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Markus Krötzsch <markus@semantic-mediawiki.org <mailto:markus@semantic-mediawiki.org> <mailto:markus@semantic-mediawiki.org <mailto:markus@semantic-mediawiki.org>>> wrote: On 03.06.2015 22 <tel:03.06.2015%2022>:44, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, The Dutch indicated their willingness to add the dead to Wikidata ... I add quite a few dead from other countries and because of Jura1 Brazilians who died in 2015 have an added significance. Given that we CAN produce lists like this, it makes sense to reconsider the offer by the fine people from DBpedia and have the information they harvest from Wikipedia added automatically to Wikidata.. One reason I pointed out on my recent blogpost.. DBpedia is getting this information from the contents of the template Persondata as used on Wikipedia [1]. The enwiki community just recently decided to maintain this data on Wikidata instead. I guess this means that (English) DBpedia will not contain this data in the future, unless they import it from Wikidata (they are tracking the issue at [2]). Note that DBpedia gets person data information both from the persondata template and from the infobox templates using the mappings wiki. We also noted that the data between the two is many times out of sync (and usually the person data is stalled/wrong because people don't know it's existence). e.g. we have 28K items with double birth dates one from the infobox and another from persondata. select count(*) where {?s dbpedia-owl:birthDate ?b1 ; dbpedia-owl:birthDate ?b2 . filter (?b1 != ?b2 && ?b1 < ?b2)} http://dbpedia.org/sparql?default-graph-uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdbpedia.org&query=select+count%28*%29+where+%7B%3Fs+dbpedia-owl%3AbirthDate+%3Fb1+%3B+dbpedia-owl%3AbirthDate+%3Fb2+.%0D%0Afilter+%28%3Fb1+%21%3D+%3Fb2+%26%26+%3Fb1+%3C+%3Fb2%29%7D&format=text%2Fhtml&timeout=30000&debug=on The persondata template is used in German Wikipedia as well. The following release has ~ 2.2M triples coming from the german persondata template (which iirc has the same problems as the english) Best, Dimitris So you see, times are changing quickly ... but overall I hope that this is still solving the problem you identified, in fact in a much more direct way than one might have hoped for :-). DBpedia may still play a role. I don't know how exactly the enwiki community is planning to implement the move from Persondata to Wikidata. It could be that DBpedia is the only project extracting this data. So in a way, your suggestion might be a great idea, though not as a long-term data maintenance plan but as a one-time help for migration. To support data maintenance further, it would make sense to use bots for synching with authority files. These files also contain death dates and they can even be used as a valid reference. Regards, Markus [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Persondata [2] https://github.com/dbpedia/extraction-framework/issues/397 Thanks, GerardM http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/wikidata-jurandyr-noronha-died-in-2015.html On 3 June 2015 at 07:16, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Hoi, Jura1 created a wonderful list of people who died in Brazil in 2015 [1]. It is a page that may update regularly from Wikidata thanks to the ListeriaBot. Obviously, there may be a few more because I am falling ever more behind with my quest for registering deaths in 2015. I have copied his work and created a page for people who died in the Netherlands in 2015 [2]. It is trivially easy to do this and, the result is great. The result looks great, it can be used for any country in any Wikipedia The Dutch Wikipedia indicated that they nowadays maintain important metadata at Wikidata. I am really happy that we can showcase their work. It is important work because as someone reminded me at some stage, this is part of what amounts to the policy of living people... 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