Hoi, When you look at the current use of labels, they are used to identify items. When a statement is used on an item, it uses a combination of a property and another item. What we notice is that several not so smart choices have been made in the past that make the current use of labels problematic. I remind you of the discussion of calling an item a list when it is used an a single instance.
The notion that labels on statements are not used flies in the face of it being applied in Reasonator for instance.
Forget about what a structured Wiktionary will do in abstraction, it is not where we are. We are at a point where we have labels and no clue (in a Wikidata context) if and what practical benefits embedding Wiktionary will bring. It is really nice to point to "Lemon" and say that it is a standard. But as far as I am concerned it is a lemon [1] when there is no translation in how the information can be leveraged.
I can appreciate that we have simple labels at this time. It will not stay that way. The alternative is that including Wiktionary in Wikidata will truly become a lemon [1]. I will do what I can to help prevent that, my ambition is that Wikidata will truly replace Omegawiki. Thanks, GerardM
[1] A defective https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defective or inadequatehttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/inadequateitem.
On 10 March 2014 14:03, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, There is little point to integrating Wiktionary and the current proposal if it is unclear how that information is going to be used. The proposal for all its fancy words misses the point completely and you point it out really well: it is unclear how lexemes will interact in the UI and in search.
Lexemes UI/search is not clear, but it can be clarified when needed. I don't think now it is the time, maybe after getting some experience with queries.
The current labels will one on one coincide with lexemes. I think we can agree on this.
Not always, not for all the languages, and not necessarily. A structured Wiktionary should be the interface to written (and hopefully spoken) human language. Q-item labels are for humans to have some clue what the concept is about, but the textual expression is a different topic.
Thanks, Micru
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