*Tobi - *That blog post 3 is very helpful. It shows that Denny and I think
alike and agree on everything. :-) His dislike for strong classification.
Which is part of my basis, to allow weak relations much more. And use
them. But how to allow them, and I think the only way is through
properties based on the Data Model currently.
There are many ways, and SKOS is one way to allow expressing weak relations
and we already have some good support with existing properties like P4390
mapping relation type <https://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4390> and a host of
Denny and I also fear the same things, like not having a flexible enough
system to describe our complex world that doesn't always fit into strict
rules. Which is kinda why I've always liked
because of it's non-transitivity which allows much flexibility and as he
and I would say... avoid "Barbara". :-)
Which is pretty much summarized in
Sorry for all the SKOS links but semantic relations helps to describe human
knowledge. How a system represents or portrays semantic relations is where
choices are made or have been made. *And I think the right choices were
Overlaying SKOS and the Wikidata properties that sprinkle it into the data
model is useful, but I've always been kind of reluctant to do
that...probably for the same reasons Denny might give? Choices between
allowing "semantic accuracy" versus "semantic flexibility". But I
systems like SKOS provide both. Perhaps it could be argued that OWL
provides much less. :-) Still all KOSs provide great use when they fit
well. How they can fit over Wikidata, as I said, is probably only through
properties at this late stage of design and that's fine with me!
Still, my main focus is and always will be trying to add human knowledge
about concept relations into Wikidata to help machines, to help us. (the
"edges" that humans quickly can deduce in seconds, but still to this day
can sometimes take machines days or weeks to figure out).
My usage and help to Abstract Wikipedia and Wikidata later on will
primarily be around the mapping of relations ... where a lot of the
possibilities have already been described years and years ago at the very
bottom of this long page:
*inter-KOS mapping relationships <-- *very last row, 3rd column
*Denny - * were you part of or lightly influenced by ISO 5964 through
Germany ISO DIN or not .. that also would be good to know.
On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 3:17 PM Tobi Gritschacher <
It would be nice to have a place to look with a link to a page in the
Community portal that says "History of
Wikidata's design and early
collected meetings, notes, design documents, recordings"
Might not answer your concrete question, but here are some (very) early
blog posts by Denny. They are still a nice read. :)
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