"I don't want to facilitate conspiracy theories, but ..."
"[I am] interested in what is the truth behind the truth"
I am sorry, I truly am, but this *is* the language I know from conspiracy
theorists. And given that, I cannot imagine that there is anything I can
say that could convince you otherwise. Therefore there is no real point for
me in engaging with this conversation on these terms, I cannot see how it
would turn constructive.
The answers to many of your questions are public and on the record. Others
tried to point you to them (thanks), but you dismiss them as not fitting
So here's a suggestion, which I think might be much more constructive and
I have been working on a comparison of DBpedia, Wikidata, and Freebase (and
since you've read my thesis, you know that's a thing I know a bit about).
Simple evaluation, coverage, correctness, nothing dramatically fancy. But I
am torn about publishing it, because, d'oh, people may (with good reasons)
dismiss it as being biased. And truth be told - the simple fact that I
don't know DBpedia as well as I know Wikidata and Freebase might indeed
have lead to errors, mistakes, and stuff I missed in the evaluation. But
you know what would help?
My suggestion is that I publish my current draft, and then you and me work
together on it, publically, in the open, until we reach a state we both
consider correct enough for publication.
What do you think?
P.S.: I am travelling the next week, so I may ask for patience
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Thad Guidry <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for sharing your opinions, Sebastian.
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sebastian Hellmann <
On 20.09.19 15:28, Thad Guidry wrote:
With my tech evangelist hat on...
Google's philanthropy is nearly boundless when it comes to the promotion
of knowledge. Why? Because indeed it's in their best interest otherwise no
one can prosper without knowledge. They aggregate knowledge for the
benefit of mankind, and then make a profit through advertising ... all
while making that knowledge extremely easy to be found for the world.
I am neither pro-Google or anti-Google per se. Maybe skeptical and
interested in what is the truth behind the truth. Google is not synonym to
philanthropy. Wikimedia is or at least I think they are doing many things
right. Google is a platform, so primarily they "aggregate knowledge for
their benefit" while creating enough incentives in form of accessibility
for users to add the user's knowledge to theirs. It is not about what
Google offers, but what it takes in return. 20% of employees time is also
an investment in the skill of the employee, a Google asset called Human
Capital and also leads to me and Denny from Google discussing whether
is content marketing
or knowledge (@Denny: no offense, legit arguments, but no agenda to resolve
the stalled discussion there). Except I don't have 20% time to straighten
the view into what I believe would be neutral, so pushing it becomes a
I found the other replies much more realistic and the perspective is yet
unclear. Maybe Mozilla wasn't so much frenemy with Google and got removed
from the browser market for it. I am also thinking about Linked Open Data.
Decentralisation is quite weak, individually. I guess spreading all the
Wikibases around to super-nodes is helpful unless it prevents the formation
of a stronger lobby of philanthropists or competition to BigTech. Wikidata
created some pressure on DBpedia as well (also opportunities), but we are
fine since we can simply innovate. Others might not withstand. Microsoft
seems to favor OpenStreetMaps so I am just asking to which degree Open
Source and Open Data is being instrumentalised by BigTech.
Hence my question, whether it is compromise or be removed. (Note that
states are also platforms, which measure value in GDP and make laws and
roads and take VAT on transactions. Sometimes, they even don't remove
All the best,
Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT)
at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University
Executive Director of the DBpedia Association
Research Group: http://aksw.org
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