Hi Gerard,
On 04.06.2015 09:26, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using
Wikidata for person data, things like date of death.
I don't see an argument raging anywhere, though you seem to be raging
quite a bit ;-) Maybe you have been discussing elsewhere than on the
DBpedia or Wikidata mailing lists? (Are the Dutch Wikipedians discussing
this maybe? If it's not in English, could you give us a summary of the
issues discussed in this argument?)
From my point of view, it would be great if DBpedia could donate some
of its data to Wikidata. For example, there could be a bot that imports
"date of death" statements from Wikipedia via DBpedia as you suggested.
The Wikidata community has imported many statements from Wikipedia in
the past and I don't see a big problem doing this with DBpedia in the
middle if people feel that this is easier than extracting stuff from
Wikipedia right away. I think the reason why it is not done is that
nobody has prepared and proposed such a bot yet. If there is nobody from
DBpedia who can help with this, maybe the best people to approach would
be the bot authors who have helped to import all the existing personal
data into Wikidata.
As I wrote in my previous email to the Wikidata list, I would prefer if
Wikipedia-scraped data (whether from DBpedia or not) would go through
the primary sources tool, to help Wikidata to get rid of all the
"imported from Wikipedia" references. But this does not apply to DBpedia
specifically in any way.
Anyway, let's not over-dramatise this discussion. If you want to
champion this work, you could start by doing a simple query against the
DBpedia and Wikidata SPARQL endpoints to count how many dates of death
each of these datasets contains right now. The next step would be to use
another simple query to display the most recent dates of death so as to
compare them. This could give the community a sense of whether a
large-scale bot action, a Wikidata game, primary sources, or a simple
list of "editing suggestions" could be the right tool of getting the
missing data into Wikidata.
Regards,
Markus
DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they
not only use dumps to update their information but they also use
information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers
like myself at Wikidata do.
In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that
increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data
for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two years..
I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are
more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They
are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make
their data available with our license.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-…
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