An additional note; what Wikipedia urgently needs is a way to create
and reuse canned text (aka "templates"), and a way to adapt that text
to data from Wikidata. That is mostly just inflection rules, but in
some cases it involves grammar rules. To create larger pieces of text
is much harder, especially if the text is supposed to be readable.
Jumbling sentences together as is commonly done by various botscripts
does not work very well, or rather, it does not work at all.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:44 AM John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Using an abstract language as an basis for translations have been
tried before, and is almost as hard as translating between two common
There are two really hard problems, it is the implied references and
the cultural context. An artificial language can get rid of the
implied references, but it tend to create very weird and unnatural
expressions. If the cultural context is removed, then it can be
extremely hard to put it back in, and without any cultural context it
can be hard to explain anything.
But yes, you can make an abstract language, but it won't give you any
high quality prose.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:09 AM Felipe Schenone <schenonef(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> This is quite an awesome idea. But thinking about it, wouldn't it be possible to
use structured data in wikidata to generate articles? Can't we skip the need of
learning an abstract language by using wikidata?
> Also, is there discussion about this idea anywhere in the Wikimedia wikis? I
haven't found any...
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:44 PM Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Forwarding because this (ambitious!) proposal may be of interest to people
>> on other lists. I'm not endorsing the proposal at this time, but I'm
>> curious about it.
>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Denny Vrandečić <vrandecic(a)gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Semantic Web languages allow to express ontologies and knowledge bases in a
>> way meant to be particularly amenable to the Web. Ontologies formalize the
>> shared understanding of a domain. But the most expressive and widespread
>> languages that we know of are human natural languages, and the largest
>> knowledge base we have is the wealth of text written in human languages.
>> We looks for a path to bridge the gap between knowledge representation
>> languages such as OWL and human natural languages such as English. We
>> propose a project to simultaneously expose that gap, allow to collaborate
>> on closing it, make progress widely visible, and is highly attractive and
>> valuable in its own right: a Wikipedia written in an abstract language to
>> be rendered into any natural language on request. This would make current
>> Wikipedia editors about 100x more productive, and increase the content of
>> Wikipedia by 10x. For billions of users this will unlock knowledge they
>> currently do not have access to.
>> My first talk on this topic will be on October 10, 2018, 16:45-17:00, at
>> the Asilomar in Monterey, CA during the Blue Sky track of ISWC. My second,
>> longer talk on the topic will be at the DL workshop in Tempe, AZ, October
>> 27-29. Comments are very welcome as I prepare the slides and the talk.
>> Link to the paper: http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia.pdf
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>> Wikipedia-l mailing list
> Wikidata mailing list