Hoi, I find it funny that you ask EXACTLY the right question but you get the opposite answer; I do not care for the query language I care for it being available. As a consequence millions of edits have been made. Consequently this query tool is practical. I have been told that a layer on top of it that produces RDF is feasible.
Now RDF may exist and it may be usable for you in your wide world but in the corner of this world where Wikidata is filled with data this tool is invaluable and RDF does not exist.
To be honest, yes it is important that we become free linked but not at the price of having to wait for the official sanctioned product. Not at the cost of imposed stagnation. Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2014 15:18, Martynas Jusevičius martynas@graphity.org wrote:
Gerard,
what is there practical about having a query language that 1) is not a standard and never will be 2) is not supported by any other tool or project and never will be?
I would understand this kind of reasoning coming from a hobbyist project, but not from one claiming to be a global "free linked database".
Martynas
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Query has been promised and unofficially we have it for a VERY long
time..
It is called WDQ. it is used in many tools. The official query will only provide a subset of functionality for quite some time as I understand it.
Practical cases in RDF for what by whom ? Wikidata is first and foremost
a
vehicle to bring interwiki links to our projects. Then and only then it becomes relevant to store data about the items involved. This data may be used in info boxes and what not in our projects.. THAT is practical use
to
our community.
RDF may of interest to others and it may be possible to do practical
things
by them but that does not prioritise it. I do not think Wikidata can do better. As far as I am concerned it is the least of our problems. The
reuse
of data is first to happen within our projects and THAT is not so much
of a
technical problem at all. Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2014 11:26, Martynas Jusevičius martynas@graphity.org
wrote:
Gerard,
what about query functionality for example? This has been long promised but shows no real progress.
And why do you think practical cases cannot be implemented using RDF? What is the justification for ignoring the whole standard and implementation stack? What makes you think Wikidata can do better than RDF?
Martynas
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Hell no. Wikidata is first and foremost a product that is actually
used.
It has that way from the start. Prioritising RDF over actual practical
use
cases is imho wrong. If anything the continuous tinkering on the
format
of dumps has mostly brought us grieve. Dumps that can no longer be read like currently for the Wikidata statistics really hurt.
So lets not spend time at this time on RDF, Lets ensure that what we have works, works well and plan carefully for a better RDF but lets only
have
it go in production AFTER we know that it works well. Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2014 02:46, Martynas Jusevičius martynas@graphity.org wrote:
Hey all,
so I see there is some work being done on mapping Wikidata data model to RDF [1].
Just a thought: what if you actually used RDF and Wikidata's concepts modeled in it right from the start? And used standard RDF tools,
APIs,
query language (SPARQL) instead of building the whole thing from scratch?
Is it just me or was this decision really a colossal waste of resources?
[1] http://korrekt.org/papers/Wikidata-RDF-export-2014.pdf
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