On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:41 AM Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
The one major issue I have is that the thinking has been Wikipedia
centred. It is in my opinion a major flaw. To top this off, Wikidata is
used in other projects as well. When Commons will be wikidatified, it will
need article placeholder to bring information in any and all languages for
any picture. A similar thing can be said for Wikispecies.
It is Wikipedia centered to the extend that Lucie had to focus for her
thesis. There is nothing preventing it from being used on other projects in
the future.
Many items are not represented in any Wikipedia. An
increasing number of
items are created as placeholders. Many of them could be red links but in
many Wikipedias they do not like red links so they are often not created as
such. Obviously it is outside the scope of your research but the use of
Wikidata extends to all links. It is important to do so because it is a
great way to ensure that links actually go where they are supposed to go.
It will also ensure that the "concept cloud" as implemented in the
Reasonator becomes even more relevant.
What I miss is attention for labels. It is the big elephant in the room.
Without labels, the whole placeholder idea falls flat. Search falls flat.
In Reasonator it is possible to add missing labels. Once a label has been
added, it has an effect on all items where that item is referenced. In a
small experiment in Berlin half an hour we was spend adding labels for
"Nelson Mandela" and it was gratifying to show how it translated to other
people like "president" to "Barack Obama".
We will work with the communities in question to add labels to the most
important things before the deployment on a project. In the future we will
also look at making this easy inside the ArticlePlaceholder.
Notability in the context of an article placeholder is
problematic. If you
propose that it has to be decided to have an item as an article
placeholder, then I sincerely hope that this is done with a flag. This
restricted approach backfires when you consider the small Wikipedias.
Arguably it serves a purpose to have article placeholders for any item and
particularly when there are labels present. Our mission is to share in the
sum of all knowledge after all and this approach to notability has a
undesired impact.
Coming back to article placeholder being Wikipedia centric. Is there any
reason why article placeholder should not be available on Wikidata itself?
Reasonator is not linked to Wikidata at all. It works in any language and,
it is my primary tool of maintaining and understanding information in
Wikidata. It would be good when Reasonator is replaced by something native
and article placeholder is the obvious candidate.
We have and will continue to concentrate on improving the existing UI on
Wikidata. This includes making it more visual similar to Reasonator. This
includes sharing some stuff with the ArticlePlaceholder.
Cheers
Lydia
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