+1
I think many Wikipedians are control freaks who like to think their
articles are the endpoint in any internet search on their article subjects.
We really need to suppress the idea that the data they have curated so
painstakingly over the years is less valuable because it is not on Wikidata
or disagrees with data on Wikidata in some way. We can and should let these
people continue to thrive on Wikipedia without pressuring them to look at
their data on Wikidata, which might confuse and overwhelm them. They
figured out Wikipedia at some point and presumably some of them have
figured out Commons. In future they may figure out Wikidata, but that will
be on their own terms and in their own individual way.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Markus Krötzsch <
markus(a)semantic-mediawiki.org> wrote:
On 20.11.2015 09:18, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Gerard Meijssen, 20/11/2015 08:18:
At this moment there
are already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about Wikipedia
quality because in their view, Wikipedians do not care about its own
quality.
And some wikipedians say the same of Wikidata. So "quality" in such
discussions is just a red herring used to raise matters of control (i.e.
power and social structure). Replace "quality" with "the way I do
things" in all said discussions and suddenly things will make more sense.
+1 to this accurate analysis
What we need to overcome this is more mutual trust, and more personal
overlaps between communities. There are already some remarkable projects
where the boundary between "Wikipedian" and "Wikidatista" (or
what's our
demonym now?) has vanished. I think these will naturally grow and prosper
as Wikidata becomes better and better (bigger, more reliable, more usable,
etc.), but it will take some patience and we should not expect Wikipedia
veterans to change their processes overnight to accommodate Wikidata. I
think the right strategy is to do this grass-roots style, not by expecting
big policy changes, but by showing the gain of Wikidata to individual
domains one by one.
Markus
The first step to improve the situation, imho, is
to banish the word
"quality".
Nemo
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