I do appreciate that Denny Jeroen and Markus cross-fertilize. But the money is flowing now towards _REWRITING SMW FROM SCRATCH_, which worries me as I am fairly sure there will be no good migration path at the inevitable time SMW support is terminated. The fact that one (is said) to be only for small wikis (which I dispute) and the other is not, is hardly a functional difference that will prevent confusion overlap inefficiency. As I've said elsewhere, saying one is capable of multi-lingual support while implying the other is not, is simply wrong -- smw is fine for multilingual support if the implemented data model has appropriate language tags. (note: I am creating a multi-lingual wiki now, based on smw, for a client).
My point is that for maximum success, wikidata should strive to welcome the smw community (back) into the mw community, to have support from those who put their professional faith in smw. By your own admission that there is substantial overlap, Wikidata will consequently and permanently split the SMW community, and this sickens me.
John
On 13.06.2012 09:04, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:36 PM, jmcclure@hypergrove.com wrote:
Hi Lydia, 'We' are people who committed professionally to the SMW
(and Halo) approach to enterprise computing and 'we' are clients who have invested in this approach. We'll want to install wikidata-client along with smw to get at infobox data (if such is the ultimate design). We'll want to install wikidata-host to stay current with where all the investment dollars, the technical interest, etc, are flowing. Yet you assert that smw & wikidata have different target groups (without defining either).
Ok then let me define it more clearly. Wikidata's
clear goal is to
serve the Wikipedias. Use in other contexts will also
be possible and
encouraged but Wikipedia is the main target. It is for
a project that
values references for all the structured data and it is
supposed to
serve a multi-language audience. SMW is well established
and used in professional and non-professional
projects outside of
Wikipedia. It usually serves smaller wikis and has
quite some use in
companies for their internal knowledge management.
Obviously there is
overlap but in the end the projects are distinct
enough to co-exist
just fine. Markus wrote a long email about this
here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg03369...
However, I believe they are the SAME because their objectives are
the same: to integrate structured data into the MW editing/display environment. There's not room for multiple implementations of tools with the same objective.
If you define the goal that broadly then yes it
might be the same for
both. But this is actually too broad. See
above.
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