On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Smolenski Nikola smolensk@eunet.rs wrote:
Citiranje "Nick Wilson (Quiddity)" nwilson@wikimedia.org:
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I also agree that a machine-translation /suggestion/ or /hint/ would be a nice option. The main concern is users who don't understand the limitations of machine-translation and whom must resist the urge to just copy&paste.
It should be possible, perhaps even preferred, to show translation of the most common descriptions, done on translatewiki. Thus all the descriptions like "Wikipedia disambiguation page", "Wikimedia category" etc could be visible in all languages.
I think this (good) example is for a slightly different feature, which means that there are 2 distinct feature-requests:
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1) For unique item descriptions (the main focus of this mailing list thread), we want to find a way to "suggest" descriptions to editors, based on machine-translations of existing descriptions in other languages.
1a) This could be a new task in phabricator? (per discussion in this thread)
1b) (Probably a very-long-term goal?) This could also perhaps be https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 "Draft a computer-assisted translation system for Wikidata labels/descriptions" which discusses the scaling problems, and suggests that we might EVENTUALLY want semi-automated description updates, at least in some items, similar to how Reasonator works. I suspect it would be best to keep those 2 ideas separate, hence I suggest filing a new task for (1a).
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2) A way for generic description translations, to be automatically added to some items.
2a) For very common & wikimedia-focused descriptions, this seems to be /periodically/ handled by bots. E.g. for Disambiguation items, it looks like User:MilanBot currently handles this task, for example: * https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q260478&action=history * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/MilanBot E.g. for Category items, it looks like ValterVBot currently handles this task, for example: * https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6939670&diff=198113824&o... * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/ValterVB...
This task, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139912 seems to track the idea of properly automating it all, and it links to an onwiki discussion that has many more details. I don't understand the technical discussions, or current state of development, enough to even attempt to summarize.
2b) For other common descriptions, these translations all seem to be manually added? E.g. for items with the description "scientific journal article" or "scientific article". * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q28510879 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q28579322 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q28298612 and I think thousands more? However, these are probably not a best practice that we want to encourage, per https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Description and per some of the descriptions in other languages being more precise (e.g. "vedecký článok (publikovaný 2009-01)" ). Therefore, this (2b) cluster probably belongs more with the (1a/1b) set of feature-requests, and should not be mass-replicated across Wikidata.
I hope that's mostly accurate... Quiddity