Hoi,,
Jane sorry but that is not how it is. At the time there was a request for a
new property. The discussion went into the never never land of personal
opinions. It ended with the suggestion of using the catalog property. This
suggestion was accepted. Literally thousands of edits were made as a
consequence and a new purpose was given to Wikidata. It has been used as
scaffolding for new articles in Wikipedia (yes, the items created are all
notable under English Wikipedia rules).
The issue is all about notability, inclusion and diversity. Just to remind
you, in a paper written about Wikidata it has been noted that the practices
around constraints are preventing diversity... The issue is also about
trust and purpose. When a well established organisation like the Black
Lunch Table uses Wikidata, they can use Listeria lists to produce lists for
upcoming editathons. They use query to monitor the development of new
articles and information for past editathons. All the items that are marked
with Black Lunch table have seen a considerable amount of edits since the
start of the use of Wikidata. It was a huge quality improvement over using
spreadsheets and Wikipedia lists.
Jane, I have been involved in the initial setup of several catalogs. The
lists I have been involved in are backed by organisations like the
Smithsonian, the Library of the New York Botanical Garden, the Cisneros
foundation. These are not trivial organisations. Jane, I have helped with
the setup and I have monitored development. In your arguments I find a lack
of understanding of what has happened and an apologetic stance where the
policies are to justify what is in effect unacceptable consequences.
What I notice is a huge lack of trust. A lack of understanding of the
situation, a lack of appreciation that there are multiple and acceptable
purposes for Wikidata and that this is one.
The current situation is that the deletions have been reverted. There is
now a need of discussion of acceptable purposes for Wikidata and key should
be diversity and inclusion in stead of doctrine and exclusion.
Thanks,
Now
On 4 January 2018 at 10:32, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Brill Lyle,
It seems you have not reached consensus to use the catalog property in the
way you have been doing, and your edits are now being reverted after not
responding to various objections that can be seen in the links you have
provided. If the "Black Lunch Table" catalog is published, either online or
in book form, then you can reference the link to it on items using "catalog
code" combined with "catalog=Black Lunch Table" with quick statements.
Apparently you haven't done that, probably because the website that links
from the item for "Black Lunch Table" holds no intormation about the
subject items you have been editing besides the notice "Stay Tuned for Our
Official Website". You can better wait until the website is published with
the database before adding statements on Wikidata. Maybe you just
misunderstood how to reference your statements. I understand why people
involved with Wikidata quality (Sjoerd and others) objected because it now
just looks like you added a statement about someone who ate lunch at a
library. That really is not very useful information for Wikidata and gives
the reader no way to confirm the information besides contacting the editor
(you) via the history page of the item. This is not acceptable behavior on
any Wiki project, and Wikidata is a wiki like any other. Here is a
reversion you object to, but I must say I agree with the reverter, sorry.
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q27990022&
type=revision&diff=616257669&oldid=517374868
Jane
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
So User:Multichill has taken it upon himself to
delete all of the catalog
entries for the Black Lunch Table. One of the first if not only successful
implementations of Wikidata as a task list for Wikipedia.
There are other initiatives also using catalog, which I assume will also
be deleted.
Beyond the fact that this destroys hundreds of hours of work, it also
negatively impacts outreach.
If there was an alternative to catalog that could be used that would be
one thing. If there was discussion about this action, that would also be
one thing. But this wholesale destruction of outreach is unacceptable.
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contribut
ions/Multichill&offset=&limit=500&target=Multichill
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Multichill#Black_Lunch_Table
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P972#Abuse_of_th
is_property_for_original_research
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletion
s#Artist_of_Black_Lunch_Table
I am beside myself. I have been heavily evangelizing Wikidata in its
integration with Wikipedia, especially multiple language Wikipedias.
This was such a hostile unconstructive act, I am beside myself.
This catalog tag was meant to be used to support various En Wiki outreach
initiatives which address gender gap and diversity on the projects. What
has happened here has very seriously negatively impacted that work.
I am asking for support here. If the property was not okay, which after
much discussion there seemed to be a consensus it was fine, then the
opportunity to find other solutions should have been made, versus deleting
all that work.
- Erika
*Erika Herzog*
Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
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