Hi,
Important discussion (but please don't get angry over such things -- some emails sounded a bit rough to my taste if I may say so :-).
Property definitions are an important issue, and ours are too vague in general. However, some properties need to be quite broad to be useful: they need some semantic wiggle room to allow them to be used in slightly different situations rather than having hundreds of hardly-used (but very precise) properties that are not natural. If such broadness is intended for a property, it should of course still be documented.
As it is now "twin cities" seem to be all cities that have some form of bilateral partnership contract that defines some such status. One could use a qualifier to specify which kind of contract it is (if someone can find out what the main types of partner cities are!). However, to be honest, it is hard to see an application where this information would be relevant, other than for trivia (the last time I needed such information was in a pub quiz ;-) and for display in Wikipedia pages. If this is the case, then maybe it should just be kept as an intentionally broad property that captures what we now find in the Wikipedias. The ontologists among us could better spend their time on properties like "part of".
Cheers,
Markus
On 27.09.2015 23:45, Thad Guidry wrote:
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se mailto:jan.ainali@wikimedia.se> wrote:
2015-09-27 23:03 GMT+02:00 Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com <mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>>: I have added my viewpoint to the P190 Discussion page. Great, thanks! Are you seriously saying that a Talk Page (where many are 2 - 10 pages scrollable) is the culmination of a definition of a property in Wikidata ? In theory, only the top box should be needed. In practice, since everything in the Wikimedia movement is a work in progress, the talk page are almost always worth reading, especially if you have doubts on how to use it.Good to know. I will use it profusely from now on.
You expect folks to read 10 pages of Talk to fully understand the intent and how to use a Property in Wikidata ? No, _I_ do not expect "folks" to read it. But I do expect people who want to improve the use of a property to read it before they setup their own definitions of that property.As I shall from now on, knowing its importance, or more to the point, where I can help with confusion. Thad +ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry
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