Hi let me just weigh in as a "power user" here. Though I love Wikidata, I must admit that it didn't even occur to me to put the list builder function in the main namespace. Since I read that comment yesterday I have been thinking about how this could be possible. I sort of follow what Romaine is saying, in that it could be useful to have an extra namespace for lists. I was also thinking that maybe we could do it another way. Right now Wikipedia has lists, such as the list of paintings by Suze Robertson. I happen to know that list is not complete (because I made it). The list article has a Wikidata item. There should be a way to set up a query so that any new items coming in will be sent to the editor's watchlist through the new list function, and then the list-editor can choose to link that item (or not) to the Wikidata list item. I think a live Wikipedia article should be linked to a Wikidata list item, not a query result.
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
First I must say I can't speak for the Dutch community, I can only try to sense how pages with coding are perceived. Seeing the editwars about
users
from outside the Dutch community adding properties to articles, seeing
the
following discussion, and seeing the general discussion about automated lists on nlwiki, I do not think this will happen. Based on this I can
only
draw the conclusion that the community will not accept automated lists in the article namespace. Being able to click in the top of the page on edit and then edit the page, is perceived as basic value of Wikipedia, an unwritten rule that may not be broken. Having these codes in the article namespace will scare people off.
At the same time I personally see some value in automated lists. I also noticed in the discussions that if users use these codes in their user namespace or in pages of wikiprojects, that it is not so much a problem.
As
I think that automated lists are not allowed in the main namespace, while they do have some value, I think it is more likely to create a separated namespace for this kind of lists. In that way all pages in the article namespace stay editable and at the same time this information is
available
on Wikipedia. A namespace called "List:" or in Dutch: "Lijst:".
I also should mention that the first priority of Wikipedia is not to be up-to-date, because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and its nature is being running behind. This is the priority and the focus, this does not mean it can't be up-to-date.
So it matters not so much if the knowledge is or isn't available in the Dutch Wikipedia, it does matter for users that all pages in the article namespace stay without codes, that these pages stay editable in that page itself. And it also matters that linking to other Wikipedias is not
allowed
in pages in the article namespace. While we did not have a voting about whether it is allowed to link to Wikidata, but having seen earlier a discussion about linking to Q...'s which was ending in the conclusion
being
not wanted, I think that links in articles to Wikidata items when there
is
no article in Dutch, will not be allowed.
Yeah this is my impression as well of the current status. Let's all just give it time. Editors need time to get comfortable with Wikidata. The more comfortable they are with using it and the more they trust it the more it'll be used. So let's keep building this trust :)
Cheers Lydia
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