One more thing, I would be interested in. I don't think comparing wikidata and freebase to DBpedia will make sense as these are sources for us. However we could compare DBpedia including the Wikidata and Freebase part to the Google Knowledge Graph and repeat this every three months to guide our community in integrating more sources. Can we do that?
-- Sebastian
On September 20, 2019 8:07:28 PM GMT+02:00, "Denny Vrandečić" vrandecic@google.com wrote:
I would love your input! I will send the link here, and any contribution will be welcome :)
Thank you!
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:05 AM Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
I'm also interested in this comparison and intersection, and glad to
share
perspective + help. Warmly, SJ
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 1:32 PM Denny Vrandečić vrandecic@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, you're touching exactly on the problems I had during the
evaluation
- I couldn't even figure out what DBpedia is. Thanks, your help will
be
very much appreciated.
OK, I will send a link the week after the next, and then we can
start
working on it :) I am very much looking forward to it.
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Sebastian Hellmann < hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
Na, I am quite open, albeit impulsive. The information given was
quite
good and some of my concerns regarding the involvement of Google
were also
lifted or relativized. Mainly due to the fact that there seems to
be a
sense of awareness.
I am just studying economic principles, which are very powerful. I
also
have the feeling that free and open stuff just got a lot more
commercial
and I am still struggling with myself whether this is good or not.
Also
whether DBpedia should become frenemies with BigTech. Or funny
things like
many funding agencies try to push for national sustainability
options, but
most of the time, they suggest to use the GitHub Platform. Wikibase
could
be an option here.
I have to apologize for the Knowledge Graph Talk thing. I was a bit grumpy, because I thought I wasted a lot of time on the Talk page
that
could have been invested in making the article better (WP:BE_BOLD
style),
but now I think, it might have been my own mistake. So apologies
for
lashing out there.
(see comments below) On 20.09.19 17:53, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
Sebastian,
"I don't want to facilitate conspiracy theories, but ..." "[I am] interested in what is the truth behind the truth"
I am sorry, I truly am, but this *is* the language I know from conspiracy theorists. And given that, I cannot imagine that there
is
anything I can say that could convince you otherwise. Therefore
there is no
real point for me in engaging with this conversation on these
terms, I
cannot see how it would turn constructive.
The answers to many of your questions are public and on the record. Others tried to point you to them (thanks), but you dismiss them as
not
fitting your narrative.
So here's a suggestion, which I think might be much more
constructive
and forward-looking:
I have been working on a comparison of DBpedia, Wikidata, and
Freebase
(and since you've read my thesis, you know that's a thing I know a
bit
about). Simple evaluation, coverage, correctness, nothing
dramatically
fancy. But I am torn about publishing it, because, d'oh, people may
(with
good reasons) dismiss it as being biased. And truth be told - the
simple
fact that I don't know DBpedia as well as I know Wikidata and
Freebase
might indeed have lead to errors, mistakes, and stuff I missed in
the
evaluation. But you know what would help?
You.
My suggestion is that I publish my current draft, and then you and
me
work together on it, publically, in the open, until we reach a
state we
both consider correct enough for publication.
What do you think?
Sure, we are doing statistics at the moment as well. It is a bit
hard to
define what DBpedia is nowadays as we are rebranding the remixed
datasets,
now that we can pick up links and other data from the Databus. It
might not
even be a real dataset anymore, but glue between datasets focusing
on the
speed of integration and ease of quality improvement. Also still
working on
the concrete Sync Targets for GlobalFactSync (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/DBpedia/GlobalFactSyncRE)
as well.
One question I have is whether Wikidata is effective/efficient or
where
it is effective and where it could use improvement as a chance for collaboration.
So yes any time.
-- Sebastian
Cheers, Denny
P.S.: I am travelling the next week, so I may ask for patience
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for sharing your opinions, Sebastian.
Cheers, Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sebastian Hellmann < hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
Hi Thad, On 20.09.19 15:28, Thad Guidry wrote:
With my tech evangelist hat on...
Google's philanthropy is nearly boundless when it comes to the promotion of knowledge. Why? Because indeed it's in their best
interest
otherwise no one can prosper without knowledge. They aggregate
knowledge
for the benefit of mankind, and then make a profit through
advertising ...
all while making that knowledge extremely easy to be found for
the world.
I am neither pro-Google or anti-Google per se. Maybe skeptical
and
interested in what is the truth behind the truth. Google is not
synonym to
philanthropy. Wikimedia is or at least I think they are doing
many things
right. Google is a platform, so primarily they "aggregate
knowledge for
their benefit" while creating enough incentives in form of
accessibility
for users to add the user's knowledge to theirs. It is not about
what
Google offers, but what it takes in return. 20% of employees time
is also
an investment in the skill of the employee, a Google asset called
Human
Capital and also leads to me and Denny from Google discussing
whether
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knowledge_Graph is content marketing or knowledge (@Denny: no offense, legit arguments, but
no agenda
to resolve the stalled discussion there). Except I don't have 20%
time to
straighten the view into what I believe would be neutral, so
pushing it
becomes a resource issue.
I found the other replies much more realistic and the perspective
is
yet unclear. Maybe Mozilla wasn't so much frenemy with Google and
got
removed from the browser market for it. I am also thinking about
Linked
Open Data. Decentralisation is quite weak, individually. I guess
spreading
all the Wikibases around to super-nodes is helpful unless it
prevents the
formation of a stronger lobby of philanthropists or competition
to BigTech.
Wikidata created some pressure on DBpedia as well (also
opportunities), but
we are fine since we can simply innovate. Others might not
withstand.
Microsoft seems to favor OpenStreetMaps so I am just asking to
which degree
Open Source and Open Data is being instrumentalised by BigTech.
Hence my question, whether it is compromise or be removed. (Note
that
states are also platforms, which measure value in GDP and make
laws and
roads and take VAT on transactions. Sometimes, they even don't
remove
opposition.)
-- All the best, Sebastian Hellmann
Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies
(KILT)
Competence Center at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig
University
Executive Director of the DBpedia Association Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann Research Group: http://aksw.org
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(KILT)
Competence Center at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig
University
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