Hoi,
English Wikipedia is not Wikipedia. It certainly is not any other project.
I certainly do not want the policies of English Wikipedia. It is bad enough
for en,wp itself
Thanks,
GerardM
On 7 January 2015 at 19:26, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> Wikipedia has already addressed this question. See
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiography. In summary, one
> should not add or change information about oneself, unless the change could
> not be considered to be non-controversial or there is some reason that a
> change should be made and the reasons for the change are laid out in a talk
> page. This is pretty much just the general conflict of interest guidelines
> applied to information about oneself, I think.
>
> There was an instance of someone writing their own Wikipedia entry. (I'm
> not linking to information about the issue to somewhat hide the identity of
> the guilty.) The end of the discussion was that the page would not be
> taken down. The decision hinged, in part, on how easy it would be to
> anonymously enter or change information about oneself, so forbidding this
> kind of activity is impossible to police. The best that can be done is to
> point out that this kind of activity is strongly discouraged.
>
> I think that the Wikipedia policy should be carried over directly to
> Wikidata. It lets responsible individuals fix or point out errors
> concerning information about them, but has strong admonitions against
> making any other kind of changes to this information.
>
> Peter F. Patel-Schneider
>
>
> On 01/07/2015 06:25 AM, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
>
>> Back to Denny's original question:
>>
>> Does anybody see a specific danger of abuse if living people get to edit
>> their
>> own data right now? Entering wrong claims deliberately would maybe not be
>> the
>> biggest issue here (since it is already in conflict with other general
>> policies -- we do not want wrong data, whoever is entering it -- and the
>> fact
>> that we want to rely on external sources for all non-obvious data would
>> still
>> apply). Could it be problematic if somebody enters too much/too detailed
>> data
>> on their own person? Could somebody use this to place links to external
>> web
>> content (spam) hidden in personal properties? But this, again, would
>> probably
>> conflict with other policies too, and it does not seem to be a problem
>> specific to the particular POVs that a living person may have. Any other
>> ideas
>> of possible abuse? My main question is: where could POV be an issue when
>> entering (externally referenced) data of the granularity that we have?
>>
>> Some proposals of what we could allow/forbid that are specific to our
>> special
>> form of content:
>>
>> * Allow living people to edit certain properties on their own page
>> (whitelist)? I currently don't see any way of really abusing things like
>> birthdate, given name, etc. that are just personal properties, unless
>> maybe in
>> rare cases where there is a real dispute (maybe a living person who
>> insists on
>> being younger than he really is?).
>>
>> * Alternatively, maybe it could even be enough to have a blacklist of
>> certain
>> properties that one could be using in illegitimate ways (no specific idea
>> now
>> what this might be).
>>
>> * I would also allow people to set their labels and reasonable aliases,
>> but
>> not have them enter any descriptions (could be POVed).
>>
>>
>> If living people are asked to not edit all or certain parts of their
>> entity,
>> then there needs be a process for them to report errors. I would not like
>> wrong information to be broadcasted about me on Wikidata without having
>> any
>> way to get it fixed.
>>
>> In addition, there should be a template that one can use on one's user
>> page to
>> disclose that one is the person described in a certain item. Conversely,
>> we
>> should also use our "website account on" property (P553) to connect
living
>> people to their Wikidata user account, so the COI is recorded in the
>> data. One
>> could further disclose other COIs on one's user page in some standard
>> format,
>> but maybe with Wikidata we could actually derive such COIs automatically
>> (your
>> family members, the companies you founded, the university you graduated
>> from,
>> etc. can all be specified in data).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> On 04.01.2015 19:57, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. they can. That's stated explicitly:
>>>
>>> A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid
>>> contribution
>>> disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure
>>> policy, you may
>>> comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this
>>> section when
>>> contributing to that Project.
>>>
>>> And Commons, for one, has already done so:
>>>
>>>
>>>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Paid_
>>> contribution_disclosure_policy
>>>
>>> which says in full:
>>>
>>> The Wikimedia Commons community does not require any disclosure of
>>> paid
>>> contributions from its contributors.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 January 2015 at 07:40, Jasper Deng <jasper(a)jasperswebsite.com>
>>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Andy: no, the terms of use are the minimum because since a user must
>>>> legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is bound by them by
>>>> virtue of editing. Local projects cannot override that.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Andy Mabbett <
>>>> andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
>>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 January 2015 at 18:13, Joe Filceolaire
<filceolaire(a)gmail.com>
>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The terms of use are the minimum requirements. Each wiki may
have
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they are the *default* requirements. Each wiki may have
*different*
>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andy Mabbett
>>>>> @pigsonthewing
>>>>>
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>>>>
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