Yes, that makes sense.
Mike
2012/4/3 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de:
Mike, all,
thank you very much for this input. So do I understand it correctly that during development and testing, we can can go with CC-0, and later relicense to whatever seems suitable, which is possible with CC-0?
To go now with a license that will prevent us from migrating later, either CC-BY-SA 4.0 or ODbL, seems to be too early to decide now.
Cheers, Denny
2012/4/3 Mike Linksvayer ml@gondwanaland.com
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 16:43, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou b.ooghe@gmail.com wrote:
I fully agree. If CC4 comes before any decision is to be made with WikiData's licence it would only be natural to use CC-BY-SA for data as well as for content. My pleading for ODbL is as a temporary fix since right now, in countries such as France, releasing data under CC-anything basically means CC0 on the data without producers using it even knowing it (latest one yesterday here data.visitprovence.com )
I don't think that's true. (Following probably of near zero interest for wikidata, other than noting how annoying the topic is -- I almost joked in previous email that if wonderful Microdata/Microformats/RDFa discussion can be put off, hopefully joyous license discussion can too. :-))
In the case of version 3.0 jurisdiction ports in the EU, database rights are waived, but that's a long way from CC0 -- conditions of the license are explicitly waived when use of the licensed work only involves the exercise of database rights and not copyright -- given the low bar to copyright, that's not often. CC0 unambiguously waives copyright and related rights. Given a database under CC0, recipient has no worries (assuming good provenance). Given a database under CC-BY-SA-3.0-FR, recipient has to comply or figure out whether the database is subject to copyright at all, which different lawyers will likely give different answers to, meaning risk not obviated.
In the case of other versions, eg 3.0 unported, which Wikimedia projects use, database rights aren't addressed at all, so the situation is not CC0, but the reverse, default database rights. Which sounds far worse, but then I know of no non-theoretical complaint in which this has come up, and it is possible there's an implicit license.
I should have linked to
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Data#How_.28if_at_all.29_are_sui_generis_dat... which explains some of this in a few more words.
I was only arguing in favor to pursue the common goods attitude behind the copyleft choice that was made before for Wikipedia.
Much appreciated. :)
Mike
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