On 23/10/2014 13:37, Luca Martinelli wrote:
2014-10-22 15:48 GMT+02:00 James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk:
It's no problem if multiple redirects link to the same place.
For example, on en-wiki, we have Luke Havell (redirect) -> Havell family Robert Havell (redirect) -> Havell family Daniel Havell (redirect) -> Havell family etc
It's no problem if we have different items Q(Luke Havell) -> Luke Havell (redirect) Q(Robert Havell) -> Robert Havell (redirect) Q(Daniel Havell) -> Daniel Havell (redirect)
different items, for different people, sitelinked to different places on en-wiki, that happen to be redirects.
While I can concur that we may need to have different items to link to single members of a family, because of $good_reason, I do not see any good reason to have redirects in those items, because of the example that Nikola made:
2014-10-22 19:04 GMT+02:00 Smolenski Nikola smolensk@eunet.rs:
Q(Coat of Arms of Novi Sad) -> Coat of Arms of Novi Sad -> Novi Sad Q(something) -> Coat of arms of Novi Sad -> Novi Sad Q(something) -> Coat of arms of novi sad -> Novi Sad
We *can* have different items with no links if this fulfils practical needs, it's in [[WD:N]] since the beginning of the project (more or less).
Nobody is questioning that we can have items for the likes of Luke, Robert and Daniel Havell -- that has been clear from the start.
The question is whether we can sitelink those items to redirect pages on some of the various wikis.
I think Nikola's example is overdone. Yes it is *possible* that somebody might create a duplicate item, but people create duplicate items at the moment. It's a question of having tools to identify them.
For Nikola's specific example, I think it is *unlikely* that anybody would create a duplicate item for the coat of arms of Novi Sad, because presumably people would look up the item for Novi Sad, and see that it already had a value for P237 coat of arms.
The advantage of allowing sitelinks to redirects is that then people can see links in Wikidata, or Reasonator, or the sidebar to whatever text content Wikipedia has on them (which is why we have sitelinks), even if that text content is not in an article of its own, but is contained within another article. So -- for example -- people can then find (and, if they wish, edit) text about different views on the exact family relationship between Daniel Havell to the rest of the Havell family, rather than just being presented with a list.
-- James.